SoCal Deek Posted September 15, 2022 Posted September 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Please. This is a different type of hoax. Some people here are deluded and kind of dumb. You’re not. The idea that the whole of the Democratic Party attempted a post hoc theft of the 2016 election is absurd. I’ll give you that. Certainly not the entire party, but certainly a good portion. And I’m not talking about the voters…I’m talking about the elected representatives.
Doc Posted September 15, 2022 Posted September 15, 2022 28 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Please. This is a different type of hoax. Some people here are deluded and kind of dumb. You’re not. The idea that the whole of the Democratic Party attempted a post hoc theft of the 2016 election is absurd. Hoax. Because you're the dumbest there is.
Doc Brown Posted September 15, 2022 Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: You pretty much always count on Graham to ‘muck’ things up. I’m sure his intentions were good but good intentions don’t score many points in Washington these days. His previous proposal was 20 weeks with the usual exemptions. Correct? I'd like to see why they changed the timeline as I think a federal maximum of 20 weeks would be reasonable. I'd like to see whether the science changed between his bills or did he just do it for political reasons. Edited September 15, 2022 by Doc Brown
SoCal Deek Posted September 15, 2022 Posted September 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: His previous proposal was 20 weeks with the usual exemptions. Correct? I'd like to see why they changed the timeline as I think a federal maximum of 20 weeks would be reasonable. I'd like to see whether the science changed between his bills or did he just do it for political reasons. I’m guessing it’s for political reasons. You do understand that he’s a politician, right? I’m not a big fan of Graham when it comes to political strategy or instincts but I still have to applaud him for trying to move the discussion/debate along. It’s an old school approach for sure, but it wasn’t that long ago when representatives from both sides of the aisle would work together to reach a compromise. This particular issue certainly needs one….but he’ll be burned at the stake by BOTH sides for even trying.
B-Man Posted September 26, 2022 Posted September 26, 2022 Democrats and Planned Parenthood keep blocking Republican efforts to do this. . . . . . . . . . . . Why ? https://instapundit.com/527780/ .
Doc Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 When all you have is one issue (being able to kill your baby even just after birth), you don't have much... 1
ChiGoose Posted October 21, 2022 Author Posted October 21, 2022 New items added to original post: Doctors in abortion-ban states fear prosecution for treating patients with life-threatening pregnancies 35. Patient at 19 weeks of pregnancy was going septic but treatment was delayed while the doctor obtained second opinions and final approval from a hospital lawyer. When Can Dying Patients Get a Lifesaving Abortion? These Hospital Panels Will Now Decide. 36. Hospitals are now using panels to determine whether a patient who is suffering a medical emergency may lawfully obtain an abortion. ‘They’re Just Going to Let Me Die?’ One Woman’s Abortion Odyssey 37. Patient whose fetus did not develop a skull and was leaking brain matter into the umbilic sac had abortion cancelled even though continuing with the pregnancy would risk her life. She had to travel out of state in order to obtain care Woman unable to get abortion may be forced to give birth to headless baby 38. Woman whose fetus is missing the top of its head and has no skull is denied abortion. Florida court rules teenager ‘not mature enough’ to have abortion 39. Court determines that pregnant teenager is not mature enough to obtain an abortion SC legislative hearing 40. 19 year-old's fetus is non-viable but because it has a heartbeat, she is refused treatment and sent home. ‘I’m Carrying This Baby Just to Bury It’: The Struggle to Decode Abortion Laws 41. Louisiana's abortion law is causing doctors to refuse to perform abortions even when they are medically necessary out of fear of losing their medical licenses or facing criminal charges 42. Louisiana doctors fear that the threat of prosecution will hinder their judgment or delay emergency care for pregnant women. One questioned whether they might be prosecuted for treating patients with meds used to treat other conditions that could harm a pregnancy Affidavit in Lawsuit Against Louisiana Law 43. The language in Louisiana's abortion law is confusing, contradictory and unclear from a medical perspective, leading to concerns from doctors that they will may face fines or even jail time if they make the "wrong" decision or interpret the law incorrectly. In order to comply, doctors may have to delay or forgo standard treatment, increasing their patients' risks of severe morbidity or even death 44. Pharmacies refused to disperse misoprostol because they did not know whether they were allowed to under the new abortion law. Even large corporations are unsure what is and is not permitted. 45. Exceptions under the abortion law are unclear, leading doctors to fear they may be prosecuted for providing the standard of care for lethal fetal anomalies 46. Patient who became pregnant on birth control told doctor she hoped the pregnancy was ectopic so she would not have to travel out of state 47. The decision for how to move forward with premature rupture of the membranes needs to be made quickly between the patient and her doctor. The abortion law will cause confusion and delay treatment during the critical time 48. The abortion law's lack of clarity could impact treatment for non-pregnancy conditions that use drugs like methotrexate, which can cause abortions. This can cause a chilling effect on the proper treatment for these illnesses 49. "Abortion" is regularly used in a medical context to refer both to the spontaneous loss of pregnancy (miscarriage) and an elective abortion. Under the abortion law, doctors will likely have to delay care to seek legal advice on what treatment they are allowed to provide 50. Post-Dobbs, doctors have begun to delay treatment out of fear of potential prosecution. This delay can cause irreparable harm 51. Louisiana's abortion law requires doctors to wait until a pregnant woman is extremely sick, even on the verge of death, before terminating a life-threatening pregnancy Doctors speak out: Idaho’s ‘cruel’ abortion laws will cause harm to their patients 52. Under Idaho's abortion law, doctors may be prosecuted for providing abortions to cancer patients so they can receive chemo treatment 53. Idaho's abortion law's vague language will result in confusion for what treatments doctors can provide and when, which can negatively impact patient health States with the toughest abortion laws have the weakest maternal supports, data shows 54. Since states with stricter abortion laws also have less access to health care and worse health outcomes, "...there's going to be not only more hardship, but greater health problems and maternal deaths..." 55. The 14 states with the most restrictive abortion laws had the worst maternal and child health outcomes in the country 56. Women living in states with the least restrictive abortion laws have a 7% lower chance of having a child with low birth weight. Black women in those states have an 8% lower risk 57. States with abortion restrictions also tend to have the highest infant mortality rates 58. States that enacted laws to restrict abortion based on gestation age increased their maternal mortality rate by 38% This never should have happened,': Doctor alleges pharmacy denied woman medication for miscarriage 59. Pharmacy denied medication to help patient during miscarriage A Mother, a Daughter and an Unusual Abortion Prosecution in Nebraska 60. Facebook provided chat records to police who used them to prosecute a mother and daughter for facilitating an abortion Affidavits: 2 more pregnant minors who were raped were denied Ohio abortions 61. Two Ohio children who became pregnant due to rape were forced to leave the state for care 62. Two Ohio women with cancer are not allowed to terminate their pregnancies nor can they get cancer treatment while pregnant 63. Three Ohio women whose fetuses have severe abnormalities or conditions that make a successful pregnancy impossible cannot get abortions OP-ED: Abortion bans actually deter women from having babies 64. Patient with wanted pregnancy was diagnosed with cancer but was told the doctor would not provide an abortion until she was on the cusp of death due to the law 65. Patient suffering miscarriage with vomiting and pain was denied treatment and went to another hospital which made her wait three days for an ethics committee to decide her case Teen girl denied medication refill under AZ’s new abortion law 66. Minor with debilitating rheumatoid arthritis and osteoporosis was denied a life-saving prescription because of Arizona's new abortion law Can rape victims access abortion in Mississippi? Doctors, advocates say no. 67. Due to concerns about prosecution, no doctors in Mississippi say that they would perform an abortion on a rape victim 68. Woman experiencing miscarriage was asked to prove she was having a miscarriage in order to obtain the medicine her doctor prescribed Some women say they’re having trouble getting prescriptions filled because of Georgia abortion law 69. Pharmacy requires additional information from doctor to provide woman with drug she had been receiving from them for years 70. Many members (but only women) of a healthy living foundation are reporting they are being asked to provide additional information for existing prescriptions. Woman With Severe Chronic Pain Was Denied Medication for Being ‘Childbearing Age’ 71. Woman was denied medication for a painful chronic condition that had previously caused her to consider suicide because she was of childbearing age Some Abortion Bans Put Patients, Doctors at Risk in Emergencies 72. Doctors report seeing treatment for ectopic pregnancies being stalled until they rupture and become life-threatening; people with broken water and fetal parts stuck in their ***** sent home until fetal demise or the patient ends up in the ICU Abortion bans complicate access to drugs for cancer, arthritis, even ulcers 73. After 20 years of trying to conceive, Tennessee woman decided to get sterilized after her doctor told her it was the only way she could stay on her current treatment for rheumatoid arthritis Kentuckians demand control over their bodies as doctors navigate abortion law gray areas 74. Physician's assistant refuses to fill medicine or patient experiencing miscarriage because they did not want their name on the order. 75. Kentucky sees surge in people seeking sterilization after Dobbs decision Chattanooga doctor sends pregnant patient to North Carolina for abortion 76. A pregnant patient in Tennessee was experiencing a dangerous pregnancy but her doctor had to send her out of state for treatment. The doctor herself is now moving out of the state Texas Woman Nearly Loses Her Life After Doctors Can't Legally Perform an Abortion: 'Their Hands Were Tied' 77. Texas Woman whose water broke at 18 weeks but doctors refused to treat her until she developed sepsis three days later. Her condition was bad enough that friends and family rushed to her bedside, fearing she was dying. Stories of the consequences of Dobbs 78. Multiple stories of the consequences of abortion bans (some may already have been included in the list, so I'm just including the video as one item) Missouri Woman Denied Emergency Abortion Called a State Senator for Help. He Sent Her to an Anti-Abortion Clinic. 79. Missouri woman's water broke at 17 weeks and the fetus was non-viable but doctors refused to treat her. She had to travel out of state for care What Happens When Doctors Don’t Learn How to Do Abortions? 80. Ohio woman's water broke too early and the pregnancy was non-viable. Doctors had to wait hours to treat her. Even then, the resident at the hospital had never performed the procedure due to the state's ban A Young Victim Of ***** Was Denied An Abortion In Florida And Forced To Travel For Care, Planned Parenthood Said 81. A child victim of ***** was denied an abortion in Florida and was forced to travel out of state for treatment 1
L Ron Burgundy Posted October 22, 2022 Posted October 22, 2022 13 hours ago, ChiGoose said: New items added to original post: Doctors in abortion-ban states fear prosecution for treating patients with life-threatening pregnancies 35. Patient at 19 weeks of pregnancy was going septic but treatment was delayed while the doctor obtained second opinions and final approval from a hospital lawyer. When Can Dying Patients Get a Lifesaving Abortion? These Hospital Panels Will Now Decide. 36. Hospitals are now using panels to determine whether a patient who is suffering a medical emergency may lawfully obtain an abortion. ‘They’re Just Going to Let Me Die?’ One Woman’s Abortion Odyssey 37. Patient whose fetus did not develop a skull and was leaking brain matter into the umbilic sac had abortion cancelled even though continuing with the pregnancy would risk her life. She had to travel out of state in order to obtain care Woman unable to get abortion may be forced to give birth to headless baby 38. Woman whose fetus is missing the top of its head and has no skull is denied abortion. Florida court rules teenager ‘not mature enough’ to have abortion 39. Court determines that pregnant teenager is not mature enough to obtain an abortion SC legislative hearing 40. 19 year-old's fetus is non-viable but because it has a heartbeat, she is refused treatment and sent home. ‘I’m Carrying This Baby Just to Bury It’: The Struggle to Decode Abortion Laws 41. Louisiana's abortion law is causing doctors to refuse to perform abortions even when they are medically necessary out of fear of losing their medical licenses or facing criminal charges 42. Louisiana doctors fear that the threat of prosecution will hinder their judgment or delay emergency care for pregnant women. One questioned whether they might be prosecuted for treating patients with meds used to treat other conditions that could harm a pregnancy Affidavit in Lawsuit Against Louisiana Law 43. The language in Louisiana's abortion law is confusing, contradictory and unclear from a medical perspective, leading to concerns from doctors that they will may face fines or even jail time if they make the "wrong" decision or interpret the law incorrectly. In order to comply, doctors may have to delay or forgo standard treatment, increasing their patients' risks of severe morbidity or even death 44. Pharmacies refused to disperse misoprostol because they did not know whether they were allowed to under the new abortion law. Even large corporations are unsure what is and is not permitted. 45. Exceptions under the abortion law are unclear, leading doctors to fear they may be prosecuted for providing the standard of care for lethal fetal anomalies 46. Patient who became pregnant on birth control told doctor she hoped the pregnancy was ectopic so she would not have to travel out of state 47. The decision for how to move forward with premature rupture of the membranes needs to be made quickly between the patient and her doctor. The abortion law will cause confusion and delay treatment during the critical time 48. The abortion law's lack of clarity could impact treatment for non-pregnancy conditions that use drugs like methotrexate, which can cause abortions. This can cause a chilling effect on the proper treatment for these illnesses 49. "Abortion" is regularly used in a medical context to refer both to the spontaneous loss of pregnancy (miscarriage) and an elective abortion. Under the abortion law, doctors will likely have to delay care to seek legal advice on what treatment they are allowed to provide 50. Post-Dobbs, doctors have begun to delay treatment out of fear of potential prosecution. This delay can cause irreparable harm 51. Louisiana's abortion law requires doctors to wait until a pregnant woman is extremely sick, even on the verge of death, before terminating a life-threatening pregnancy Doctors speak out: Idaho’s ‘cruel’ abortion laws will cause harm to their patients 52. Under Idaho's abortion law, doctors may be prosecuted for providing abortions to cancer patients so they can receive chemo treatment 53. Idaho's abortion law's vague language will result in confusion for what treatments doctors can provide and when, which can negatively impact patient health States with the toughest abortion laws have the weakest maternal supports, data shows 54. Since states with stricter abortion laws also have less access to health care and worse health outcomes, "...there's going to be not only more hardship, but greater health problems and maternal deaths..." 55. The 14 states with the most restrictive abortion laws had the worst maternal and child health outcomes in the country 56. Women living in states with the least restrictive abortion laws have a 7% lower chance of having a child with low birth weight. Black women in those states have an 8% lower risk 57. States with abortion restrictions also tend to have the highest infant mortality rates 58. States that enacted laws to restrict abortion based on gestation age increased their maternal mortality rate by 38% This never should have happened,': Doctor alleges pharmacy denied woman medication for miscarriage 59. Pharmacy denied medication to help patient during miscarriage A Mother, a Daughter and an Unusual Abortion Prosecution in Nebraska 60. Facebook provided chat records to police who used them to prosecute a mother and daughter for facilitating an abortion Affidavits: 2 more pregnant minors who were raped were denied Ohio abortions 61. Two Ohio children who became pregnant due to rape were forced to leave the state for care 62. Two Ohio women with cancer are not allowed to terminate their pregnancies nor can they get cancer treatment while pregnant 63. Three Ohio women whose fetuses have severe abnormalities or conditions that make a successful pregnancy impossible cannot get abortions OP-ED: Abortion bans actually deter women from having babies 64. Patient with wanted pregnancy was diagnosed with cancer but was told the doctor would not provide an abortion until she was on the cusp of death due to the law 65. Patient suffering miscarriage with vomiting and pain was denied treatment and went to another hospital which made her wait three days for an ethics committee to decide her case Teen girl denied medication refill under AZ’s new abortion law 66. Minor with debilitating rheumatoid arthritis and osteoporosis was denied a life-saving prescription because of Arizona's new abortion law Can rape victims access abortion in Mississippi? Doctors, advocates say no. 67. Due to concerns about prosecution, no doctors in Mississippi say that they would perform an abortion on a rape victim 68. Woman experiencing miscarriage was asked to prove she was having a miscarriage in order to obtain the medicine her doctor prescribed Some women say they’re having trouble getting prescriptions filled because of Georgia abortion law 69. Pharmacy requires additional information from doctor to provide woman with drug she had been receiving from them for years 70. Many members (but only women) of a healthy living foundation are reporting they are being asked to provide additional information for existing prescriptions. Woman With Severe Chronic Pain Was Denied Medication for Being ‘Childbearing Age’ 71. Woman was denied medication for a painful chronic condition that had previously caused her to consider suicide because she was of childbearing age Some Abortion Bans Put Patients, Doctors at Risk in Emergencies 72. Doctors report seeing treatment for ectopic pregnancies being stalled until they rupture and become life-threatening; people with broken water and fetal parts stuck in their ***** sent home until fetal demise or the patient ends up in the ICU Abortion bans complicate access to drugs for cancer, arthritis, even ulcers 73. After 20 years of trying to conceive, Tennessee woman decided to get sterilized after her doctor told her it was the only way she could stay on her current treatment for rheumatoid arthritis Kentuckians demand control over their bodies as doctors navigate abortion law gray areas 74. Physician's assistant refuses to fill medicine or patient experiencing miscarriage because they did not want their name on the order. 75. Kentucky sees surge in people seeking sterilization after Dobbs decision Chattanooga doctor sends pregnant patient to North Carolina for abortion 76. A pregnant patient in Tennessee was experiencing a dangerous pregnancy but her doctor had to send her out of state for treatment. The doctor herself is now moving out of the state Texas Woman Nearly Loses Her Life After Doctors Can't Legally Perform an Abortion: 'Their Hands Were Tied' 77. Texas Woman whose water broke at 18 weeks but doctors refused to treat her until she developed sepsis three days later. Her condition was bad enough that friends and family rushed to her bedside, fearing she was dying. Stories of the consequences of Dobbs 78. Multiple stories of the consequences of abortion bans (some may already have been included in the list, so I'm just including the video as one item) Missouri Woman Denied Emergency Abortion Called a State Senator for Help. He Sent Her to an Anti-Abortion Clinic. 79. Missouri woman's water broke at 17 weeks and the fetus was non-viable but doctors refused to treat her. She had to travel out of state for care What Happens When Doctors Don’t Learn How to Do Abortions? 80. Ohio woman's water broke too early and the pregnancy was non-viable. Doctors had to wait hours to treat her. Even then, the resident at the hospital had never performed the procedure due to the state's ban A Young Victim Of ***** Was Denied An Abortion In Florida And Forced To Travel For Care, Planned Parenthood Said 81. A child victim of ***** was denied an abortion in Florida and was forced to travel out of state for treatment This is so f'd up. We had a system that worked, it wasn't perfect but it worked. This that we have now is just sad. And why? Christians. 1
SoCal Deek Posted October 22, 2022 Posted October 22, 2022 59 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: This is so f'd up. We had a system that worked, it wasn't perfect but it worked. This that we have now is just sad. And why? Christians. Ouch. I love you too.
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