Chef Jim Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I can see how reasonable adults talk to each other. That I can clearly see. It’s amazing how well it works when ‘someone’ isn’t trying to WIN every discussion. Every topic isn’t supposed to be a fight to the death. I'm just trying to understand your position on this. I'm not trying to win. You've stated it about religion, then you say it's about linguistics. You have not explained why, in YOUR MIND, why same sex couples cannot use the word marriage. And BTW reasonable adults don't tell each other to go ***** themselves. Just something to think about ok.
SoCal Deek Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I'm just trying to understand your position on this. I'm not trying to win. You've stated it about religion, then you say it's about linguistics. You have not explained why, in YOUR MIND, why same sex couples cannot use the word marriage. And BTW reasonable adults don't tell each other to go ***** themselves. Just something to think about ok. Reasonable people don’t belittle others because of their faith. Reasonable people don’t accuse other people of thinking that other are ‘dirty’. Something to think about…if you’re open to it.
Chef Jim Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Reasonable people don’t belittle others because of their faith. Reasonable people don’t accuse other people of thinking that other are ‘dirty’. Something to think about…if you’re open to it. Well what comes around goes around my friend. You belittle gays, I'll defend them and belittle you and your archaic religion. Why can't they be married? Please tell me. You have skirted this question for too long. You've become very defensive when I've shined a bright light on this. Please, why, in your own words, can't gays be married? It's a damn word. Your faith doesn't own it. In my opinion you lost this when you said we should come up with another work for marriage for same sex couples. How do you feel about interracial marriages? Interfaith marriages?
Sundancer Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: How do you feel about interracial marriages? Interfaith marriages? I asked this too. I want a word for when an ugly guy marries a hot woman. That deserves its own word before marriage between men gets a new word.
wnyguy Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sundancer said: I asked this too. I want a word for when an ugly guy marries a hot woman. That deserves its own word before marriage between men gets a new word. I would term it "your marriage".
Sundancer Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, wnyguy said: I would term it "your marriage". What a sick burn.
Chef Jim Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 56 minutes ago, wnyguy said: I would term it "your marriage". Ugly is subjective.
SoCal Deek Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Well what comes around goes around my friend. You belittle gays, I'll defend them and belittle you and your archaic religion. Why can't they be married? Please tell me. You have skirted this question for too long. You've become very defensive when I've shined a bright light on this. Please, why, in your own words, can't gays be married? It's a damn word. Your faith doesn't own it. In my opinion you lost this when you said we should come up with another work for marriage for same sex couples. How do you feel about interracial marriages? Interfaith marriages? Keep trying Chef. I’ve told you numerous times that mine isn’t a religion based position. Can gay people get married? Of course they can! They do now. That doesn’t mean our shared language couldn’t be more definitive. Does it?
Coffeesforclosers Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 23 hours ago, Big Blitz said: This is actually exactly what Christianity preaches. Is this some sort of self own? Individual responsibility! Every sect of Christianity on the planet teaches that we are saved by the unmerited gift of God's grace. None of them teach that we are saved by individual responsibility.
SoCal Deek Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Every sect of Christianity on the planet teaches that we are saved by the unmerited gift of God's grace. None of them teach that we are saved by individual responsibility. Exactly! Very very well said. It’s what separates Christianity from most if not all other faiths.
Chef Jim Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Keep trying Chef. I’ve told you numerous times that mine isn’t a religion based position. Can gay people get married? Of course they can! They do now. That doesn’t mean our shared language couldn’t be more definitive. Does it? Yes you’ve told me many times it’s not religious based after you told me it was based on your religion. So make up you mind. More definitive? In what way? Is their union so different it’s needs a different word? You still haven’t explained what your hang up with them using the word married/marriage? So according to you they can get married but they can’t call it married.
SoCal Deek Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Yes you’ve told me many times it’s not religious based after you told me it was based on your religion. So make up you mind. More definitive? In what way? Is their union so different it’s needs a different word? You still haven’t explained what your hang up with them using the word married/marriage? So according to you they can get married but they can’t call it married. Keep tying yourself in knots Chef. Just remember how you did it, so you can untie yourself again when you need to go to pee. 😉
Chef Jim Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Keep tying yourself in knots Chef. Just remember how you did it, so you can untie yourself again when you need to go to pee. 😉 Ahhhh turning myself into knots. Right out of Billy Boys playbook again. Well he uses the word pretzel but you get my point. You're really disappointing me Deek. I have not tied myself in knots. That would be you. First they can't use the word marriage because the "good book" says that marriage is between a man and a woman. Then when confronted with that you deny that it's about religion and now it's about linguistics. Which is it? I assume it's a bit of both and that's ok. You still haven't given us any rationale as to why you feel they cannot use the word marriage. Maybe because you're not quite sure of the reason yourself. Who knows. So we will leave it at this. You have something against same sex couples using a word. What it is we have no idea but that's ok. You do what you want and think what you want. Just do the gay community a favor. Let them use whatever word they want. If it offends you let it offend you. As a comedian said. "So what, be offended. Nothing happens!"
SoCal Deek Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Ahhhh turning myself into knots. Right out of Billy Boys playbook again. Well he uses the word pretzel but you get my point. You're really disappointing me Deek. I have not tied myself in knots. That would be you. First they can't use the word marriage because the "good book" says that marriage is between a man and a woman. Then when confronted with that you deny that it's about religion and now it's about linguistics. Which is it? I assume it's a bit of both and that's ok. You still haven't given us any rationale as to why you feel they cannot use the word marriage. Maybe because you're not quite sure of the reason yourself. Who knows. So we will leave it at this. You have something against same sex couples using a word. What it is we have no idea but that's ok. You do what you want and think what you want. Just do the gay community a favor. Let them use whatever word they want. If it offends you let it offend you. As a comedian said. "So what, be offended. Nothing happens!" Keep trying Chef. I did not say that they couldn’t use the word marriage because of what the Good Book says. And I’m not offended…. no matter how much you’re dying to imprint your anti-Christian bigotry onto others.
Sundancer Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Keep trying Chef. I did not say that they couldn’t use the word marriage because of what the Good Book says. And I’m not offended…. no matter how much you’re dying to imprint your anti-Christian bigotry onto others. Simple question: Why do you want two words for marriage?
SoCal Deek Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Simple question: Why do you want two words for marriage? Simple answer: Because we have multiple words for virtually everything. That’s what language is. Clarification: (for my friend Chef) mine is a suggestion, not a religious fiat, or mandate
Chef Jim Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Simple answer: Because we have multiple words for virtually everything. That’s what language is. Clarification: (for my friend Chef) mine is a suggestion, not a religious fiat, or mandate We have multiple words for virtually everything. Yes we most certainly do but you have not explained why YOU are against same sex couple using the word marriage. Why even make the suggestion? There has to be some sort of reasoning behind your suggestion. It's weird dude. You've tapped danced around this. Do you feel same sex couples should be able to use the word marriage/married when discussing their relationship and if so why or why not. This should clear things up.
SoCal Deek Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: We have multiple words for virtually everything. Yes we most certainly do but you have not explained why YOU are against same sex couple using the word marriage. Why even make the suggestion? There has to be some sort of reasoning behind your suggestion. It's weird dude. You've tapped danced around this. Do you feel same sex couples should be able to use the word marriage/married when discussing their relationship and if so why or why not. This should clear things up. How many more times do I have to say it to you? I’ve tried just about every way possible…and NONE of them are about any hatred of gay people, as much as you want it to be. Let me try another. Go to the toy store this weekend and buy a barnyard puzzle for a toddler. I’ll GUARANTEE you that the puzzle will have both a horse and a zebra. We don’t teach our kids that a zebra is a ‘striped horse’. The two things may look alike, but we have different words to describe them. A zebra is no better than a horse, nor vice versa. (In chef terms a yam is not a sweet potato, and a parsnip is not a white carrot….at least I don’t think so anyway). There’s nothing at ALL degrading about having a more precise language. I have no idea why you think there is.
Sundancer Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Simple answer: Because we have multiple words for virtually everything. That’s what language is. Clarification: (for my friend Chef) mine is a suggestion, not a religious fiat, or mandate That's not a WHY answer. That's just an observation that has applicability in some but hardly all circumstances. English famously has far fewer words for snow than other northern languages. So let's try again: Why do you want two words for marriage? 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How many more times do I have to say it to you? I’ve tried just about every way possible…and NONE of them are about any hatred of gay people, as much as you want it to be. Let me try another. Go to the toy store this weekend and buy a barnyard puzzle for a toddler. I’ll GUARANTEE you that the puzzle will have both a horse and a zebra. We don’t teach our kids that a zebra is a ‘striped horse’. The two things may look alike, but we have different words to describe them. A zebra is no better than a horse, nor vice versa. (In chef terms a yam is not a sweet potato, and a parsnip is not a white carrot….at least I don’t think so anyway). There’s nothing at ALL degrading about having a more precise language. I have no idea why you think there is. We don't have different words for horse and zebra because they are different species. If you want to describe a brown horse or a white horse, you add a color adjective. Marriage is marriage. Why do you want two words for marriage?
Chef Jim Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How many more times do I have to say it to you? I’ve tried just about every way possible…and NONE of them are about any hatred of gay people, as much as you want it to be. Let me try another. Go to the toy store this weekend and buy a barnyard puzzle for a toddler. I’ll GUARANTEE you that the puzzle will have both a horse and a zebra. We don’t teach our kids that a zebra is a ‘striped horse’. The two things may look alike, but we have different words to describe them. A zebra is no better than a horse, nor vice versa. (In chef terms a yam is not a sweet potato, and a parsnip is not a white carrot….at least I don’t think so anyway). There’s nothing at ALL degrading about having a more precise language. I have no idea why you think there is. I'm done here. You obviously are not willing or unable to articulate why same sex couples can't use the word marriage. And that's ok Deek. Many of us have deep rooted feeling about things we can't explain where they come from. I will leave you with this. To your last sentence. Ask a same sex couple who you've just told cannot call themselves a married couple if they feel degraded. Calling them married is pretty damn precise to me. But that's me.
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