Bills ranked dead last in YAC last season.

[DCofNC]

17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah..........draft picks have cash value.........especially the early ones.

 

A first rounder is a pick you should only use on a guy with a big money ceiling.........QB/PassRush/WR1/LT/CB1.........the kind of guys who are getting upwards of $20M AAV's right now.

 

The second round doesn't drop off to $3M aav. 

 

They reached for a perceived need there.

 

I really liked the McKissic signing but a second rounder or even early 3rd round pick needs to be a player with an 8 figure AAV ceiling still.

 

I like James Cook.........hopefully he outplays Beane's expectations and becomes the actual lead back his draft pedigree suggests......so they can justify keeping him on the field for all 3 downs.......because there really isn't much need for a "third down back" in the NFL anymore.   That position is f*cking dead.    If everyone knows you are passing the ball it's irrational to take a receiver off the field for a RB.

Agreed 100%

[BuffaloBill]

On 7/19/2022 at 9:38 PM, Shaw66 said:

This stuff drives me crazy.   Bills were 9th in the league in passing yards per game.  If the Bills moved to the middle of the pack in the league in YAC, they'd have 25 yards more per game, and they would have been about 5th in the league in yards per game.   What's the big deal?   If the Bills get 25 more rushing yards per game, it's just as good if they get 25 yards more per game in YAC.   If the Bills give up 25 yards fewer per game, it's the same thing, sort of.  

 

The point is, there are dozens and dozens of statistical categories, and the Bills would be better if they get better in any of them.   

 

And, in case anyone is interested, the easiest way to get more YAC is in the screen and short passing game.  Hello, James Cook.  

 

 

So true as there has been almost no “dump off” in Allen’s game.  However, JA himself has commented that the team has to improve in this category.

[Mr. WEO]

On 7/19/2022 at 8:37 PM, JoPoy88 said:

that’s partially on Allen’s ball placement, partially on Daboll and partially on Beasley being hurt and crumpling to the ground every time he caught the ball.

 

On 7/19/2022 at 8:39 PM, Charles Romes said:

Beasley was a shell of his former self and it was a testament to 17’s greatness that he managed to put up decent stats. 

 

Beasley (3.7) had higher YAC than Diggs (3.2)

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Beasley (3.7) had higher YAC than Diggs (3.2)

Yikes. Yeah that ain’t good either.

[BigDingus]

Not a great look, but it comes with having a QB like Josh & WR's who fortunately have stayed healthy (for the most part).

 

I have not looked at stats at all to back any of this up, but you often saw Diggs or Beasley run amazing routes, then go down quickly to avoid contact if pressure was nearby. Davis & others getting hit on those sideline routes or right in the end zone doesn't help those numbers either.

 

And when Josh throws deep, it's often on the run & rolling out, so the ball tends to JUST get there as to where the target can just make the grab. Ball placement is definitely a factor, but Allen is still improving there too, so I expect things will get better. For now, I'm just glad Diggs has managed to stay healthy, so I'll take him avoiding contact over trying to break tackles after every catch.

[Scott7975]

Its no surprise.  I said for like the entire last half of last season that they were terrible in YAC and Josh was getting all the yards.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Beasley (3.7) had higher YAC than Diggs (3.2)

 

 

Diggs is a lot more dynamic without the ball than with it.   His kinda' YAC is finishing a 9 route for a TD........he can get vertical and he did it regularly in Minnesota.   His specialty is not catching a short pass and making people miss.   He's not good at that.  And unfortunately,  in the Bills offense he is the #1 chain mover so it's a lot of short, YAC-hopeless routes for him.  

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Diggs is a lot more dynamic without the ball than with it.   His kinda' YAC is finishing a 9 route for a TD........he can get vertical and he did it regularly in Minnesota.   His specialty is not catching a short pass and making people miss.   He's not good at that.  And unfortunately,  in the Bills offense he is the #1 chain mover so it's a lot of short, YAC-hopeless routes for him.  

 

It is?  How many of those did he have out of 164 targets?  Of his 10 TDs, 5 were under 10 yards, 1 was over 15 yards, none over 20.

 

The rookie who replaced him in Mind had a lot more YPC and significantly more yards before and after the catch per catch.  He had TDs of 23, 45 and 50 yards in his 10.--with Cousins tossing the ball.  

 

Diggs YAC per suggests he's tackled or goes OOB (or EZ) within 2 long strides of a catch.  Josh had only 12 fewer 1st down rushing than Diggs had receiving.

[JerseyBills]

On 7/20/2022 at 2:20 PM, DCofNC said:

Thank you for taking time to actually read what I posted and responding with a thought our response, it’s appreciated.   While I understand Diggs will get yards if you put him one on one, he’s not somebody that teams are really scared of.  He’s not going to burn you like Hill or bully you like Michale Thomas etc.  He’s containable, the Chiefs proved that, but he will get his yards and there’s not much you can do about it because he is such a crisp route runner.  You just don’t have to worry about him taking the top off a D.  
 

Crowder and McKenzie should get more YAC than Beasley who was just taking the catch and diving forward all too frequently. He did that when healthy, so I’m not going to say it was all injuries last year, he just doesn’t want to get crushed and I honestly don’t blame him, but it’s what separates the guys like Edelman from him.   If Crowder can stay healthy, he should enjoy a career year with Josh.   I hope McKenzie gets more use this year, he’s flashed quite a bit, but it seems like as soon as he’s getting rolling he’s off the field again.  I’ll be interested to see if that was Dabs or McD.  
 

Cook hasn’t played a down in the NFL and won’t get on the field if he can’t pass protect, he seems willing, but is he effective against NFL players? We’ll see.  He definitely has a chance to add a missing element to the O. 

 

See above.

Them containing him was the reason Davis got favorable matchups and put up a playoff record. 

The Chiefs gameplan was to contain Diggs and Davis benefited from that tremendously.  To say Diggs isn't explosive is a joke

Edited July 22, 2022 by JerseyBills

[BADOLBILZ]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It is?  How many of those did he have out of 164 targets?  Of his 10 TDs, 5 were under 10 yards, 1 was over 15 yards, none over 20.

 

The rookie who replaced him in Mind had a lot more YPC and significantly more yards before and after the catch per catch.  He had TDs of 23, 45 and 50 yards in his 10.--with Cousins tossing the ball.  

 

Diggs YAC per suggests he's tackled or goes OOB (or EZ) within 2 long strides of a catch.  Josh had only 12 fewer 1st down rushing than Diggs had receiving.

 

 

The rookie who replaced Diggs is better than Diggs.   He's on pace to perhaps be the all-time yardage producing WR in NFL history............so, not just any rookie.

 

Diggs was used more as a the vertical threat in Minnesota........that's how he put up about 18 yards per reception in his last season there.    Play action by Cousins, then over the top.      

 

In Buffalo, Diggs plays the role Adam Thielen played in Minnesota..........the route-running chain mover who is worthy of CB1 coverage himself and just gets some deep shots occasionally.

 

John Brown and the washed 2021 version of Manny Sanders have been decent complements..........but the Bills haven't had a player like Thielen to put opposite Diggs and soak up some of the passes to the sticks and the physical toll that brings with it.

 

I don't suspect that changes with Gabe Davis,   who is really a vertical route specialist at this point.

 

The Bills skill positions around Josh Allen are overrated by Bills fans.

 

They are top 10-15 in the NFL...........some ill-informed Bills fans just presume they are top 3.....if not the best.......but it's not even close.

 

Not that explosive and the depth behind the starters is meh.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[BADOLBILZ]

14 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Since it was more, or less the entire WR, room, I think that is due to coaching, from OC, on down...

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The routes are determined by the play design..........which is coaching.    But Diggs just isn't a YAC guy.   Andre Reed was a YAC guy,   he could catch a ball and power thru a tackle and make plays after the catch.   Diggs isn't very powerful.......he's quick and fast.......but not explosive.....which is a combination of all 3.    Most of the YAC he gets is due to any separation he gets in his route.........not anything he does after it.    

 

There is always a play or two that will suggest otherwise to some fans,  like when Fitz threw that hot air balloon TD to TO against TN years ago and then fans thought that was proof that Fitz had a great arm,  when in fact he struggled to make accurate NFL throws to the perimeter with Buffalo and once that was exposed defense's squatted on his boundary throws and flooded the middle of the field.........killing Chan Gailey's offense.    

 

Consistently,  Diggs just isn't the type of guy who is going to make teams pay for playing him too tight on short throws. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

Edited July 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[DCofNC]

On 7/22/2022 at 12:15 AM, JerseyBills said:

Them containing him was the reason Davis got favorable matchups and put up a playoff record. 

The Chiefs gameplan was to contain Diggs and Davis benefited from that tremendously.  To say Diggs isn't explosive is a joke

The guy averages 12 yards a catch for his career, he is not an explosive player.  He’s a quick possession receiver.  The Chiefs took him away because the Bills have literally nobody on the team that scares you and Allen loved his security blanket all year.  It was good strategy.  Take away the guy that gets first downs and see if they can move the ball.  Without Allen balling out, it would have worked out great.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 7/19/2022 at 10:13 PM, Shaw66 said:

Screens and short passes to running backs are best opportunities to get yards after catch.  Allen was one of the league leaders in air yards per completion.  That means he throws the ball downfield more than most QBs.   Singletary was far from the league leaders in targets.   That is, the Bills have a downfield passing attack, which reduces YAC opportunities.  

 

If the screen game improves, YAC will improve.  

 

I'm not worried. 

Exactly right.  Also, when you’re killing them underneath and they need to counter by cheating up, fewer bodies over the top helps the deeper ball RAC as well.  
 

Crowder, Austin, Cook, bringing McKenzie back, Shakir signal they are going to get more production from the WRs after the catch. 
 

I’m suspecting this will replace some of the production from the QBs feet.