Field Yates - "I truly believe there's no scarier player to defend in 2022 than JA."

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Neither am I.  Where did I change the premise?

 

I have repeatedly said that the Love pick did NOT prevent them from going to a SB--as the team got better despite the pick and they were on the cusp of making the SB both years.  

 

You're stuck arguing that some OTHER rookie that they could have taken at 30 or 26 would have, in that NFCC game,  made a difference that would have gotten them past the Bucs in the 4th Q.   Who is it? 

I said….before you change the premise….. I didn’t say that you did.  

yeah…..Jordan love caused them to improve.  Die on that hill.  Please.

 

I’m stuck arguing that Jordan Love was a terrible pick and they may have won a super bowl if they had drafted someone else.  Do you have a packer friends?  I do.  We discuss this multiple times per year.  They agree with me 💯.  Most people agree that drafting Jordan Love is a debacle.  But die on the hill that Jordan Love made the packers offense better.  

 

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Some unnamed rookie player could have, at that very moment, stepped in and made a game winning play----and I'm making things up??  lol.

 

Anyway, yes--in that moment, all it took was one play.  But the wrong play was chosen.  Game over.

You’re insufferable……

 

I said that someone else MAY have made a play.  MAY have made a difference.  Why is that so hard to understand?   You’re saying that Tee Higgins WOULDN’T have made a difference…..,you don’t see how what you and I saying are completely different?  I’m not claiming ANYTHING to be true.  I’m saying anything definitively.  You are.  BIG difference.  
 

it was fun.  Jordan love.  Great pick.  ✌️ 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I said….before you change the premise….. I didn’t say that you did.  

yeah…..Jordan love caused them to improve.  Die on that hill.  Please.

 

I’m stuck arguing that Jordan Love was a terrible pick and they may have won a super bowl if they had drafted someone else.  Do you have a packer friends?  I do.  We discuss this multiple times per year.  They agree with me 💯.  Most people agree that drafting Jordan Love is a debacle.  But die on the hill that Jordan Love made the packers offense better.  

 

You’re insufferable……

 

I said that someone else MAY have made a play.  MAY have made a difference.  Why is that so hard to understand?   You’re saying that Tee Higgins WOULDN’T have made a difference…..,you don’t see how what you and I saying are completely different?  I’m not claiming ANYTHING to be true.  I’m saying anything definitively.  You are.  BIG difference.  
 

it was fun.  Jordan love.  Great pick.  ✌️ 

 

 

lol

 

Anyway, you keep putting arguments in my posts that aren't there.  I said they got better despite the pick, not that the pick "caused them to improve".  

 

If you can only make straw man arguments, then just hoist the white flag or allow me to enjoy myself reading your responses!

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They might have, sure. But why does the Love pick get obsessed over? Why not the years of wasted 1st and 2nd round picks on defensive backs? 

 

I still to this day defend the Love pick. It was strategically the right move even if the talent evaluation was wrong. Years of wasting picks on running backs and defensive backs is what has stopped the Packers putting talent around Rodgers. Not taking a shot at his successor. 

 

No one's obsessing over it.  Love just wasn't going to help them at all for years, if ever.  Rodgers had just come off a Pro Bowl season (I similarly think drafting AJ Dillon was dumb, since Jones was also coming off a Pro Bowl season) and they had just made it to the NFCCG.  Rodgers had been clamoring for more receiver help and Higgins would have done just that.  What they'd done before means little.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Doc

[BuffaloBaumer]

I completely agree with this. Allen can beat you any way he wants. If I am starting a football team from scratch, he is my first choice and it's not even close.

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Because WEO and I have discussed it since it happened.  
 

you can defend whatever you want. Analytics shows that drafting QBs with a first rd pick is the smartest use of a first rd pick.  As a team that I thought was very close to winning a super bowl, I thought they should be going all in to help AR win another SB. Instead, they drafted his potential replacement.  Worked out well.  Number 1 seed 2 years in a row.  Two losses in one possession games.  Games where all it takes is one play to change the result.  Jordan Love contributed nothing and they lost.  They MAY have one a super bowl if they would have used the pick elsewhere.  

 

But still why focus on that pick? I think that pick is defensible. There are tons of high GB picks in recent years that are not.

20 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No one's obsessing over it.  Love just wasn't going to help them at all for years, if ever.  Rodgers had just come off a Pro Bowl season (I similarly think drafting AJ Dillon was dumb, since Jones was also coming off a Pro Bowl season) and they had just made it to the NFCCG.  Rodgers had been clamoring for more receiver help and Higgins would have done just that.  What they'd done before means little.

 

Dillon is a much worse pick than Love. It is undeniable. 

[Jauronimo]

On 7/17/2022 at 8:23 AM, Doc said:

 

True, but it will be interesting to see him without Hill.  If he's still putting up the same stats...

Hes still going to put up big numbers but that offense should be much easier to defend with Juju replacing Tyreek.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Hes still going to put up big numbers but that offense should be much easier to defend with Juju replacing Tyreek.

 

It will be interesting to see.  Kelce will be 33 a month into the season and his numbers dipped noticeably last year.

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But still why focus on that pick? I think that pick is defensible. There are tons of high GB picks in recent years that are not.

 

Dillon is a much worse pick than Love. It is undeniable. 

Read up thread.  This was rehashed because WEO brought how great the 2020 packers team was.  The same team that he said wouldn’t make the playoffs that year.  

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Read up thread.  This was rehashed because WEO brought how great the 2020 packers team was.  The same team that he said wouldn’t make the playoffs that year.  

 

Aaron Rodgers performance in the playoffs is the problem and has been other than his one SB win.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Aaron Rodgers performance in the playoffs is the problem and has been other than his one SB win.

Not sure what this has to do with the talking point.

[FilthyBeast]

On 7/16/2022 at 5:14 PM, BillsFan619 said:

#3 on the coaches, execs and players survey AND

currently the MVP favorite according to FanDuel AND

the scariest player to defend in 2022 according to Field Yates

 

 

 

If the JA17 we saw in the playoffs carries over into this season than there's no disputing this.

 

But I think there are probably still doubts he can play at that level consistently and why many NFL insiders still believe Mahomes is truly QB1 with a more steady hand over his career.

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

If the JA17 we saw in the playoffs carries over into this season than there's no disputing this.

 

But I think there are probably still doubts he can play at that level consistently and why many NFL insiders still believe Mahomes is truly QB1 with a more steady hand over his career.

 

First they said he can't improve his accuracy.  Then they said that no crowds helped him.  Now it's Daboll is gone.  He just keeps on rolling.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

I said….before you change the premise….. I didn’t say that you did.  

yeah…..Jordan love caused them to improve.  Die on that hill.  Please.

 

I’m stuck arguing that Jordan Love was a terrible pick and they may have won a super bowl if they had drafted someone else.  Do you have a packer friends?  I do.  We discuss this multiple times per year.  They agree with me 💯.  Most people agree that drafting Jordan Love is a debacle.  But die on the hill that Jordan Love made the packers offense better.  

 

You’re insufferable……

 

I said that someone else MAY have made a play.  MAY have made a difference.  Why is that so hard to understand?   You’re saying that Tee Higgins WOULDN’T have made a difference…..,you don’t see how what you and I saying are completely different?  I’m not claiming ANYTHING to be true.  I’m saying anything definitively.  You are.  BIG difference.  
 

it was fun.  Jordan love.  Great pick.  ✌️ 

Drafting Jordan love was insanely stupid 

 

can sum up how they had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for 30 years and only have 2 SBs

28 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If the JA17 we saw in the playoffs carries over into this season than there's no disputing this.

 

But I think there are probably still doubts he can play at that level consistently and why many NFL insiders still believe Mahomes is truly QB1 with a more steady hand over his career.

Mahomes has had an offensive guru and better offensive talent around him 

 

not to mention his play has peaked … Having watched his last 40 starts I don’t see any more progress 

 

Josh is still on the incline while pat has peaked.. Mahomes is great but he’s not evolving as a quarterback

 

I think it’s clear to the people in the NFL that Josh is on that level and also getting better

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Drafting Jordan love was insanely stupid 

 

can sum up how they had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for 30 years and only have 2 SBs

Don’t talk legit facts in this convo.  You’re supposed to make up facts to prove your point….. like Tee Higgins definitely wouldn’t have made a difference.  

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Drafting Jordan love was insanely stupid 

 

can sum up how they had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for 30 years and only have 2 SBs

Mahomes has had an offensive guru and better offensive talent around him 

 

not to mention his play has peaked … Having watched his last 40 starts I don’t see any more progress 

 

Josh is still on the incline while pat has peaked.. Mahomes is great but he’s not evolving as a quarterback

 

I think it’s clear to the people in the NFL that Josh is on that level and also getting better

 

Allen presents more problems than Mahomes or anyone else at QB ever has

[Buffalo Junction]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No one's obsessing over it.  Love just wasn't going to help them at all for years, if ever.  Rodgers had just come off a Pro Bowl season (I similarly think drafting AJ Dillon was dumb, since Jones was also coming off a Pro Bowl season) and they had just made it to the NFCCG.  Rodgers had been clamoring for more receiver help and Higgins would have done just that.  What they'd done before means little.

Love was a bad pick, but it was in response to Rodgers having two consecutive down years (for him) after coming back from a broken collarbone. In hindsight the only tangible benefit was stoking the “prove them wrong” fire in Rodgers. A skill player at another position would have been a much better choice there. 
 

AJ Dillon is an entirely separate matter. They run a two back system and their power back (Jamaal Williams) was in the final year of his contract. Dillan was drafted to upgrade that role, not take over for Jones who can also line up at WR to exploit matchups. Jones also gets banged up frequently, so taking load off is crucial towards his health late in the season. 

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Drafting Jordan love was insanely stupid 

 

can sum up how they had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for 30 years and only have 2 SBs

Mahomes has had an offensive guru and better offensive talent around him 

 

not to mention his play has peaked … Having watched his last 40 starts I don’t see any more progress 

 

Josh is still on the incline while pat has peaked.. Mahomes is great but he’s not evolving as a quarterback

 

I think it’s clear to the people in the NFL that Josh is on that level and also getting better

 

I agree that JA17 is likely still in ascent, but I don't agree that Mahomes is necessarily a finished product.

 

I think we'll find out the answer to both questions this year though as KC's offense is going to look very different with Hill gone and Kelce likely being taken out of the gameplan by opposing teams (not too mention he's getting up there in years to begin with) and Mahomes will need to find other guys more.

[Big Turk]

41 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I agree that JA17 is likely still in ascent, but I don't agree that Mahomes is necessarily a finished product.

 

I think we'll find out the answer to both questions this year though as KC's offense is going to look very different with Hill gone and Kelce likely being taken out of the gameplan by opposing teams (not too mention he's getting up there in years to begin with) and Mahomes will need to find other guys more.

 

Kelce has posted 6 straight 1,000+ yard seasons and 2 100+ catch seasons. As a Tight End. That's freaking ridiculous.

 

He is 32...Gronk was retired by this age...selfishly I hope he follows suit soon. Dude is a monster.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Big Turk

[Playoffs?]

On 7/16/2022 at 10:27 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Imagine Bills fans getting angry because someone says Aaron Rodgers is better than Josh Allen?

 

The good thing is Josh is actually in that conversation. People can make legitimate arguments why Josh is better.

 

But I’m sorry, he’s not better than Aaron Rodgers, yet.
 

 

I think the question was top scariest to defend in 2022. To me, it’s Allen, Mahomes, and then Rodgers. 
 

Allen is ascending, which is scary enough… and literally can do it ALL.  He played a perfect game against NE in the playoffs, and he was a one-man machine against KC (not to take anything away from Gabe Davis).  
 

Mahomes is incredible… but you throw a 7 yard in route to Tyreek Hill, and watch him go. Or let Kelce do his thing to defenses. Point being, compared to Allen, I don’t think Mahomes has to do as much himself for his team to win…. But it’s close. 
 

Rodgers is a beast and maybe throws the best ball in football, but he’s not as multidimensional as Allen… and Rodgers’ best days MAY be behind him, while I believe Allen’s are ahead. 

 

[Southern_Bills]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:20 AM, TBBills said:

I didn't know we were talking about Rodgers of 11 years ago. I thought we were talking about now.

 

Ok, he's back to back league MVP, as of now.

 

Throw shade all you want, he's a great QB.