Field Yates - "I truly believe there's no scarier player to defend in 2022 than JA."

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I’ve definitely seen Josh throw a no look pass too fyi

So have I. Couldn't help but poke fun @wjag

Edited July 17, 2022 by The Wiz

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

because it went to a popularity contest. 

 

I disagree it's been a popularity contest. The QB's who have won it over the last 20 years have by and large deserved the award. We are just on an odd streak of non of them winning the super bowl. 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, that was the problem.  It was a bad/wasted pick then and an even worse pick in hindsight.

 

Yes, YES!  It prevented the Packers from back to back appearances AND kept him from winning his first MVP in 7 years.

 

 

Oh wait---none of that happened!  But we will always be left to imagine how a rookie at some position would have made the #1 Offense so much even better that the MVP wouldn't choke away the game at the very end.

 

 

[Apocalypse Nuts]

22 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There is no chance Josh Allen is scarier than Aaron Rodgers.

 

I have no problem putting him 2nd though. Rodgers is on a different planet.

Umm…please go back and watch the last games played by both Rodgers and Allen,  them please come back and try to say this with a straight face.

 

[Apocalypse Nuts]

Why so many people just blindly love Aaron Rodgers and just continue to fellate his reputation to no end simply astounds me.  Is it all the endless (and atrocious) State Farm commercials?  I don’t know. All I know is that I have been completely unimpressed with his play and attitude on the field for several years now.  That last game against the truly mediocre 49’rs was just awful.  Just the look on his face the entire game inspired absolutely no one, let alone the team he was supposed to be leading to the SB again.

Edited July 17, 2022 by Apocalypse Nuts

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Yes, YES!  It prevented the Packers from back to back appearances AND kept him from winning his first MVP in 7 years.

 

 

Oh wait---none of that happened!  But we will always be left to imagine how a rookie at some position would have made the #1 Offense so much even better that the MVP wouldn't choke away the game at the very end.

 

Look, your assertion 2 years ago that no draft pick would have helped the Packers because their fate was set was absurd enough.  Then you tried to claim that since they did it before, Love had a good chance of being another HOF'er. 

 

No, they would have been far better-served drafting anyone other than Love because a) at best he wasn't going to help them for several years and b) he hasn't show much and will likely be gone in 2 years max and for nothing.  Meanwhile a guy like Tee Higgins, who you dismissed and who was taken just 3 spots after GB's original pick in that round, has averaged 1,000 yards and 6 TDs, and guys like Antoine Winfield and Trevon Diggs have made the Pro Bowl.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Doc

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Apocalypse Nuts said:

Umm…please go back and watch the last games played by both Rodgers and Allen,  them please come back and try to say this with a straight face.

 

If we’re only basing this on their last 2 games then Allen is the scariest athlete ever.

 

I don’t know where Allen goes after last year’s playoffs. No one does. He was in the zone as he’s said.

 

I remember the Falcons game right before the playoffs as well. One of his worst games of his career. A lot of poor decisions. Allen is still inconsistent, but we’re watching him grow into the scariest QB in the NFL. It’s a process man. Eventually he’ll get there the way he’s going. 
 

If I’m a defensive coordinator and get to choose the QB I face out of Rodgers, Mahomes, and Allen, I’m picking Allen. That’s right now. He’s in the conversation, who cares  who people pick at this point? I’m not going to dislike someone’s answer if they say Allen’s the scariest. I don’t agree but I’m not hitting the dislike button.

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If we’re only basing this on their last 2 games then Allen is the scariest athlete ever.

 

I don’t know where Allen goes after last year’s playoffs. No one does. He was in the zone as he’s said.

 

I remember the Falcons game right before the playoffs as well. One of his worst games of his career. A lot of poor decisions. Allen is still inconsistent, but we’re watching him grow into the scariest QB in the NFL. It’s a process man. Eventually he’ll get there the way he’s going. 
 

If I’m a defensive coordinator and get to choose the QB I face out of Rodgers, Mahomes, and Allen, I’m picking Allen. That’s right now. He’s in the conversation, who cares  who people pick at this point? I’m not going to dislike someone’s answer if they say Allen’s the scariest. I don’t agree but I’m not hitting the dislike button.

 

Rodgers was terrible in the season opened last year against the Saints.  Cost me 5 survivor picks.

[Chicken Boo]

On 7/16/2022 at 9:49 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Really? He has a winning record. 45 TDs to 13 ints in the playoffs. Other than last year I feel his defense has been the biggest reason he hasn’t gone back to the Super Bowl.

 

 

 

The Packers defense is absolutely the reason he hasn't made it back to the Super Bowl.  

 

In 6 of his 10 playoff losses, the opposing team scored between 31-55 points.

[Mikie2times]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The Packers defense is absolutely the reason he hasn't made it back to the Super Bowl.  

 

In 6 of his 10 playoff losses, the opposing team scored between 31-55 points.

What's that say about us?

[billybrew1]

On 7/16/2022 at 5:14 PM, BillsFan619 said:

#3 on the coaches, execs and players survey AND

currently the MVP favorite according to FanDuel AND

the scariest player to defend in 2022 according to Field Yates

 

 

Well, duh!

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The Packers defense is absolutely the reason he hasn't made it back to the Super Bowl.  

 

In 6 of his 10 playoff losses, the opposing team scored between 31-55 points.

Oh baloney, I watched the last packer ouster and Rogers couldn’t buy a play all day….

[Nelius]

Couldn't find this but how about the simple fact that Rodgers is 38 years old? Maybe peak Rodgers was scarier or as scary, but I'm taking the 26 year bull nearing his peak.

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

Well, duh!

Oh baloney, I watched the last packer ouster and Rogers couldn’t buy a play all day….

 

So 1 game?  Cool.

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Look, your assertion 2 years ago that no draft pick would have helped the Packers because their fate was set was absurd enough.  Then you tried to claim that since they did it before, Love had a good chance of being another HOF'er. 

 

No, they would have been far better-served drafting anyone other than Love because a) at best he wasn't going to help them for several years and b) he hasn't show much and will likely be gone in 2 years max and for nothing.  Meanwhile a guy like Tee Higgins, who you dismissed and who was taken just 3 spots after GB's original pick in that round, has averaged 1,000 yards and 6 TDs, and guys like Antoine Winfield and Trevon Diggs have made the Pro Bowl.

 

Actually I didn't try to claim that.  lol...

 

Look, the Packers were rolling over their competition, scoring more points than any team in the league.  Tee Higgins wouldn't have made them higher than #1.  Also, Winfield and Diggs weren't on anyone's 1st round board, both going in the second---before the Packers pick.  By your logic, the Bills should have not traded for Diggs and kept the pick for Jefferson--who has averaged 1500 yards right off the bus...with Cousins as his QB...while splitting targets with Thielen (none of which Diggs could do) and had him on a rookie contract---maybe got them to a SB or 2!   

 

Since the Packers drafted Love, Rodgers has won back to back MVPs and they have gone to the NFCC game also back to back. In that game against the Bucs, the MVP threw for 346 yards, 3 TDs.....and then, on the cusp of tying the game late in the 4th, he made a bad decision.   

 

To claim that was the direct or indirect result of a bad draft decision before the season started is jus..."absurd".

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes, YES!  It prevented the Packers from back to back appearances AND kept him from winning his first MVP in 7 years.

 

 

Oh wait---none of that happened!  But we will always be left to imagine how a rookie at some position would have made the #1 Offense so much even better that the MVP wouldn't choke away the game at the very end.

 

 

You have no clue what it prevented them from doing…..THAT’S the point.  
 

We KNOW, for a FACT, that the packers didn’t win either of the last 2 Super Bowls after wasting draft picks on Jordan Love.  
 

We aren’t saying that they absolutely would have won a super bowl if they had drafted someone that would have actually contributed……we’re saying that they might have.  They were a top team both seasons. Both of those seasons ended in a one possession game.  Don’t pretend like you KNOW they wouldn’t have won a SB if they drafted someone else.  You don’t.  But continue pretending.  
 

again…..before you change the premise…. We aren’t saying they would have won a SB….we’re saying that is possible that they may have.  The only thing that we KNOW….. after two season…..is that drafting Jordan Love was a bad pick for a team focused on winning a super bowl.   You disagreed at the time…… because you said the packers weren’t that good and we’re pretenders….. not contenders. But you were wrong. Yet again
 

13 hours ago, Apocalypse Nuts said:

Umm…please go back and watch the last games played by both Rodgers and Allen,  them please come back and try to say this with a straight face.

 

I’ll be the first to say that allen is better than Rodgers….but Rodgers played a very good niner defense in 1 degree weather.  I’m sure you can use other examples other than “their last game”.  

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You have no clue what it prevented them from doing…..THAT’S the point.  
 

We KNOW, for a FACT, that the packers didn’t win either of the last 2 Super Bowls after wasting draft picks on Jordan Love.  
 

We aren’t saying that they absolutely would have won a super bowl if they had drafted someone that would have actually contributed……we’re saying that they might have.  They were a top team both seasons. Both of those seasons ended in a one possession game.  Don’t pretend like you KNOW they wouldn’t have won a SB if they drafted someone else.  You don’t.  But continue pretending.  
 

again…..before you change the premise…. We aren’t saying they would have won a SB….we’re saying that is possible that they may have.  The only thing that we KNOW….. after two season…..is that drafting Jordan Love was a bad pick for a team focused on winning a super bowl.   You disagreed at the time…… because you said the packers weren’t that good and we’re pretenders….. not contenders. But you were wrong. Yet again
 

I’ll be the first to say that allen is better than Rodgers….but Rodgers played a very good niner defense in 1 degree weather.  I’m sure you can use other examples other than “their last game”.  

 

They might have, sure. But why does the Love pick get obsessed over? Why not the years of wasted 1st and 2nd round picks on defensive backs? 

 

I still to this day defend the Love pick. It was strategically the right move even if the talent evaluation was wrong. Years of wasting picks on running backs and defensive backs is what has stopped the Packers putting talent around Rodgers. Not taking a shot at his successor. 

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Actually I didn't try to claim that.  lol...

 

Look, the Packers were rolling over their competition, scoring more points than any team in the league.  Tee Higgins wouldn't have made them higher than #1.  Also, Winfield and Diggs weren't on anyone's 1st round board, both going in the second---before the Packers pick.  By your logic, the Bills should have not traded for Diggs and kept the pick for Jefferson--who has averaged 1500 yards right off the bus...with Cousins as his QB...while splitting targets with Thielen (none of which Diggs could do) and had him on a rookie contract---maybe got them to a SB or 2!   

 

Since the Packers drafted Love, Rodgers has won back to back MVPs and they have gone to the NFCC game also back to back. In that game against the Bucs, the MVP threw for 346 yards, 3 TDs.....and then, on the cusp of tying the game late in the 4th, he made a bad decision.   

 

To claim that was the direct or indirect result of a bad draft decision before the season started is jus..."absurd".

You have no idea what Tre Higgins or any other player would do.  In a one possession game, all it takes in ONE play. A first rd pick is capable of starting and making one big play.  But you can pretend to have a magic crystal ball.  We aren’t pretending to know anything other than the packers made a bad pick that MAY HAVE prevented them from winning a super bowl.  While you LITERALLY MAKE STUFF UP. to try and prove a point.  
 

cole strange wasn’t on anyone boards as a first rd pick.  Yet he was picked in rd 1.  EVERY year, there a handful of guys taken in rd one that were projected by most to go rd 2.   

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You have no clue what it prevented them from doing…..THAT’S the point.  
 

We KNOW, for a FACT, that the packers didn’t win either of the last 2 Super Bowls after wasting draft picks on Jordan Love.  
 

We aren’t saying that they absolutely would have won a super bowl if they had drafted someone that would have actually contributed……we’re saying that they might have.  They were a top team both seasons. Both of those seasons ended in a one possession game.  Don’t pretend like you KNOW they wouldn’t have won a SB if they drafted someone else.  You don’t.  But continue pretending.  
 

again…..before you change the premise…. We aren’t saying they would have won a SB….we’re saying that is possible that they may have.  The only thing that we KNOW….. after two season…..is that drafting Jordan Love was a bad pick for a team focused on winning a super bowl.   You disagreed at the time…… because you said the packers weren’t that good and we’re pretenders….. not contenders. But you were wrong. Yet again
 

 

Neither am I.  Where did I change the premise?

 

I have repeatedly said that the Love pick did NOT prevent them from going to a SB--as the team got better despite the pick and they were on the cusp of making the SB both years.  

 

You're stuck arguing that some OTHER rookie that they could have taken at 30 or 26 would have, in that NFCC game,  made a difference that would have gotten them past the Bucs in the 4th Q.   Who is it? 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They might have, sure. But why does the Love pick get obsessed over? Why not the years of wasted 1st and 2nd round picks on defensive backs? 

 

I still to this day defend the Love pick. It was strategically the right move even if the talent evaluation was wrong. Years of wasting picks on running backs and defensive backs is what has stopped the Packers putting talent around Rodgers. Not taking a shot at his successor. 

Because WEO and I have discussed it since it happened.  
 

you can defend whatever you want. Analytics shows that drafting QBs with a first rd pick is the smartest use of a first rd pick.  As a team that I thought was very close to winning a super bowl, I thought they should be going all in to help AR win another SB. Instead, they drafted his potential replacement.  Worked out well.  Number 1 seed 2 years in a row.  Two losses in one possession games.  Games where all it takes is one play to change the result.  Jordan Love contributed nothing and they lost.  They MAY have one a super bowl if they would have used the pick elsewhere.  

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You have no idea what Tre Higgins or any other player would do.  In a one possession game, all it takes in ONE play. A first rd pick is capable of starting and making one big play.  But you can pretend to have a magic crystal ball.  We aren’t pretending to know anything other than the packers made a bad pick that MAY HAVE prevented them from winning a super bowl.  While you LITERALLY MAKE STUFF UP. to try and prove a point.  
 

cole strange wasn’t on anyone boards as a first rd pick.  Yet he was picked in rd 1.  EVERY year, there a handful of guys taken in rd one that were projected by most to go rd 2.   

 

Some unnamed rookie player could have, at that very moment, stepped in and made a game winning play----and I'm making things up??  lol.

 

Anyway, yes--in that moment, all it took was one play.  But the wrong play was chosen.  Game over.