OBJ responds to rumor he signed with the Bills

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The Bills actions in the offseason were to add run-block first OL.........and the skill players they put the most investment in were a RB and TE...........it feels like we are actually going to see more 12 personnel and less spread.

I wouldn't be too sure of that as an improved running game against light boxes in 10 or 11 personnel can make a defenses go heavier which creates mismatches and opens things up downfield.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not exactly........the Z can line up off the LOS in 11 personnel.........but only one player can be in motion........that's typically going to be the slot.

 

It's not at all an apples/apples comparison wrt to the ease of release off the ball.........you are still starting from a dead stop and have to make more out of less space(sideline limitations).

 

You aren't going to see players the size of McKenzie or Crowder on the outside very often.

 

Shakir is a weird one because you don't see that T-Rex body type much at receiver.

 

They are all "quicker than fast" typical slots.

 

The Bills offensive approach has not been that unusual.......they aren't operating the run-and-shoot in 1990..........every team with a top passer spreads the field in the passing game.

 

The Bills actions in the offseason were to add run-block first OL.........and the skill players they put the most investment in were a RB and TE...........it feels like we are actually going to see more 12 personnel and less spread.

 

As for Diggs.........yeah, he can play everywhere.........and the Bills would be best served if he could play in the slot a lot.........and they then had two other players who matched up well against boundary CB's on the outside.

 

That's not the case, on paper.

 

People who think McKenzie or Crowder could become the second boundary receiver and play well out there for 50 snaps per game have a very vivid imagination.     

 

Cook is basically another Slot WR. Lol. You’re losing this battle with your favorite front office. It’s not us. Allen has had success with those smaller shifty WR’s. John Brown is very small for a X as well, small arms as well. Allen and Daboll turned out his best career year.

 

With the OC change we might see different personnel groupings but I don’t see a lot changing in terms of route concepts. 
 

Just face it, we love our smallish shifty WRs.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[ddaryl]

On 7/16/2022 at 8:43 AM, Rigby said:

I would rather cover my schlong in honey and put it in a fire ants nest instead of signing OBJ...but that's just me.

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[BigAl2526]

10 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

For a 1 season, half year rental I'll take OBJ all day.

 

Winning the Super Bowl this year should be priority #1.  

You think OBJ is interested in being a rental?  Lots of luck with that.

[ddaryl]

1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said:

You think OBJ is interested in being a rental?  Lots of luck with that.

The lure of winning it all might..

[TheBrownBear]

On 7/16/2022 at 8:43 AM, Rigby said:

I would rather cover my schlong in honey and put it in a fire ants nest instead of signing OBJ...but that's just me.

I'd LOVE to do BOTH!!!....but that's just me.

[FilthyBeast]

I believe this team could still add a veteran WR at some point soon but don't think it will be for big money and pretty sure OBJ is looking for that or he likely already would have resigned with the Rams.

[BADOLBILZ]

15 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I wouldn't be too sure of that as an improved running game against light boxes in 10 or 11 personnel can make a defenses go heavier which creates mismatches and opens things up downfield.

 

There is a very big, very "offseason" misconception that spreading out a defense takes the starch out of them in run defense or pass rush.

 

Quite the opposite.........it puts a ton of pass blocking stress on your OL and the QB has to get the ball out quick.

 

Bills found out last year that teams were just pinning their ears back and going for the TFL/sack when the Bills tried to spread them out.

 

The solution to that problem isn't just run blocking better..........it's asking A LOT of a bunch of run-block first OL to excel in the run game with only 5 blockers AND pass block under duress 50 times per game.

 

The solution if you want to run 10-11 all the time is getting yards after the catch because 4-5 receiver sets turn you into a quick passing, dink and dunk offense.........you gotta' be able to toast defense's with short passes.

 

Not a Bills strength.    Worst team in the league in YAC.    

 

James Cook might help with that when he's on the field subbing for Singletary..........and Crowder at one time was a really good YAC guy(lousy last year)............but I suspect they are indeed planning A LOT more 12 personnel and trying to be a more physical front to combat teams that will be VERY hesitant to come out of nickel/dime looks.

 

The downside of that is,  as Ron Jaworski always said, you score points in the passing game.    If you run the ball more, you are taking the ball out of JA's hands more and requiring more plays to score,  which is what defense's prefer as opposed to be scorched for chunk plays in the pass game.  

  

[BADOLBILZ]

13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Cook is basically another Slot WR. Lol. You’re losing this battle with your favorite front office. It’s not us. Allen has had success with those smaller shifty WR’s. John Brown is very small for a X as well, small arms as well. Allen and Daboll turned out his best career year.

 

With the OC change we might see different personnel groupings but I don’t see a lot changing in terms of route concepts. 
 

Just face it, we love our smallish shifty WRs.

 

 

Maybe Cook is just a slot receiver and won't work out as a RB,  you could be right.

 

But let's put his ceiling at Alvin Kamara as a receiving option out of the backfield because Kamara is the current gold standard for receivers out of the backfield.

 

Kamara is a career 8.7 yards per reception guy.........whereas Cole Beasley has a career 10.4 yards per reception average.

 

There is always a difference between a RB and an ACTUAL slot receiver.

 

An average slot receiver is still a better pass option than the best RB.

 

Beasley was panned for having a lousy year last year and getting no YAC and his ypr was actually still better than the great Christian McCaffrey's career AVERAGE.

[MasterStrategist]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Maybe Cook is just a slot receiver and won't work out as a RB,  you could be right.

 

But let's put his ceiling at Alvin Kamara as a receiving option out of the backfield because Kamara is the current gold standard for receivers out of the backfield.

 

Kamara is a career 8.7 yards per reception guy.........whereas Cole Beasley has a career 10.4 yards per reception average.

 

There is always a difference between a RB and an ACTUAL slot receiver.

 

An average slot receiver is still a better pass option than the best RB.

 

Beasley was panned for having a lousy year last year and getting no YAC and his ypr was actually still better than the great Christian McCaffrey's career AVERAGE.

And I'm sure Kamara or McCaffrey lining up in the backfield has nothing to do with their career YPR.

 

Not sure what's so difficult, as someone said, this "outside #3 wr" talk is just ridiculous:

1. Shakir is basically taking Mannys role, but with more Yac/juice/young legs (call it whatever) and more ability from the slot.  He's more than capable of playing outside, but to expect him to replace Mannys numbers isn't what we so called "non worriers" are saying....it's more targets for Gabe, Cook seeing targets, McKenzie getting more PT, and adding a TE2 in Howard who is a solid redzone threat.  Shakir will get his targets, but we absolutely don't need him to replace Mannys stats by himself.

 

2. We will align RBs, TEs, etc outside as the #1 on 15+ snaps per game.  Many times motioning said player, It forces teams to "show" coverage or at least bump a LB/create potential mismatches.

 

3. Press coverage: go ahead and have every team play press man against us, ask Miami or NE how well that faired for them.  KC had success 2 yrs ago, but got away with blatant holding (not to mention Beas and Diggs banged up).  If anyone had issues with getting off the press, it was Smoke... Not sure why this keeps getting brought up as some revelation against smaller WRs....quickness, release and strength having everything to do with it (smoke was not strong at the point).

 

4. Injuries: we had Davis or Manny miss several games last season, not once did we panic and assume Kumerow was going to start.  We had plenty of personell groupings, and if anything, we are better suited this year with a better TE2 and Rb with some wiggle to occupy safety or LBs.

 

Training camp for entire roster can't arrive soon enough...

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

30 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

And I'm sure Kamara or McCaffrey lining up in the backfield has nothing to do with their career YPR.

 

Sure......among other things.

 

You and @Buffalo_Stampede need to get on the same page if you think you are making the same argument............because he doesn't understand the differences between an actual slot receiver and just being a RB who is "good for his position" in the passing game.

 

The fact is that you aren't going to get 10-14 yards per reception......average receiver production..........in any volume from any RB.

[BADOLBILZ]

29 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea… and I suppose they’ll do even more of that if Davis struggles and/or him or Diggs get hurt…. They could turn into a ground and pound offense pretty quickly…. But maybe that’s what McD secretly wants. 😈

 

Taking the ball out of Josh’s hands is what caused them to get into a 9 point hole against KC in the divisional game… they got way too conservative early/mid game and I recall Romo even calling McD and Daboll out for it…..the last thing I want them to do is get more conservative on offense. 

 

 

Allen took a big leap in 2020.............but he moved into yet another category in the playoffs last season.

 

But the primary reason they were on the road in the playoffs was because the offense as a whole had been inconsistent for most of the regular season.........the pass blocking was terrible and the receiving corps couldn't produce yards after the catch.

 

The Bills response to those events was to sign a bunch of run-block specialists for the OL and continue a two offseason trend of getting less explosive at receiver. 

[Chicken Boo]

On 7/18/2022 at 9:52 AM, BigAl2526 said:

You think OBJ is interested in being a rental?  Lots of luck with that.

 

To play with Josh for another Super Bowl ring, he absolutely would.

 

It only raises his profile and he'd be a free agent again next season.