Orlando Brown wants 25 mill/yr?

[MiltonWaddams]

Another reason I am happy to have the braintrust of Beane and Co in charge of our Bills. Players want to be here and are rewarded accordingly for doing so. The Chiefs, perennial contenders at this point, had the equivalent of a Stefon Diggs trade and a Dion Dawkins non-report this season. We would be losing it if that were the Bills...and the Chiefs management is actually well respected in the league

 

[DCofNC]

On 7/22/2022 at 5:11 PM, Zerovoltz said:

sorry for the late response.

 

Regarding the draft pick compensation....yes, I took all the picks into consideration.  when you run all those through calculators, the trade came out to more or less Brown for a 2nd.  

 

Going forward I do NOT think it's in Browns best interest to sit.  He's only made about 3.5 million so far in his NFL career.  He can collect a 16.5 Mil to play on the tag this year.  That's a lot of money.  Also, Brown isn't the picture of prime physical athlete...he has to work at staying in good enough shape to play football.  He's the kind of guy who needs camp to get into playing shape.  Sitting out would be a major test of his willpower to keep up with training etc.  This is a guy who completely blew off the combine his draft year....nothing in his past suggests he has the self discipline to stay on task.  

 

I would consider moving Thuney to LT.  But, that is probably a fools errand....if Thuney was a good LT...he'd be playing LT....way more money for dudes that are good at that.  It might be that they'd roll with some dudes we've not heard of and see how that goes (probalby not good)  

 

I'd say Brown sits out through most or all of camp and shows up for week 1....to collect his fat tag money.

 

I would say that IF Brown has a really good year, KC would gladly pay him.  Last year he was medicore and they weren't going to pay him top money to be mediocre again.  KC has a ton of draft capital next year and would be prepared to address this in the draft after this season.  

 

I think it's probably mutually beneficial to both if he shows up and plays on the tag.

I get where you are coming from, but all the reasons you say he should show up, are the reasons he shouldn’t.  It takes ONE mis-step to injure his fat ass, now he’s not getting a contract.  He’s got to try to leverage at least a couple years of guaranteed money out of them.  “Settle” for a 2 year 40M guaranteed deal.

[Doc]

54 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I get where you are coming from, but all the reasons you say he should show up, are the reasons he shouldn’t.  It takes ONE mis-step to injure his fat ass, now he’s not getting a contract.  He’s got to try to leverage at least a couple years of guaranteed money out of them.  “Settle” for a 2 year 40M guaranteed deal.

 

Why settle though?  They're not going to want to go into the season without a true LT protecting Mahomes.

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Why settle though?  They're not going to want to go into the season without a true LT protecting Mahomes.

40M guaranteed and another run at FA in the prime of your career isn’t a bad opportunity.  Playing for a “prove” it deal for 1 year, that’s danger zone.

[AuntieEm]

On 7/17/2022 at 10:46 AM, T master said:

 

More of the money should go to build each team a brand new stadium with the best of medical facilities & let's say more to those veterans that didn't have the type of medical retirement that these guys have & are dealing with CTE & other problems from playing the game that would be a good start .

 

But there again that's just me i guess .

 

   I'd find that to be acceptable as a better option for the money.  But that's an issue to be funded by the league not from individual teams yearly cap.  Those funds would need to be allocated before handing out each teams cap money.

Edited July 27, 2022 by AuntieEm

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

40M guaranteed and another run at FA in the prime of your career isn’t a bad opportunity.  Playing for a “prove” it deal for 1 year, that’s danger zone.

 

I wasn't suggesting he play under the 1 year tender.  I'm saying sit-out until they give in.

[Rampage]

If KC won't pay him, someone will. I'm all for players getting as much money as they can and holding their ground, especially considering all these billionaire owners beg for handouts on their billion dollar stadiums.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Rampage said:

If KC won't pay him, someone will. I'm all for players getting as much money as they can and holding their ground, especially considering all these billionaire owners beg for handouts on their billion dollar stadiums.

 

On the open market, sure.  I doubt any team trades anything worthwhile with them looking at doling-out a (likely) 5-year $125M/year contract with half of it guaranteed.

[Ya Digg?]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I wasn't suggesting he play under the 1 year tender.  I'm saying sit-out until they give in.

His only option is playing on the franchise tag this year, he can't sign a long term deal until after the season is completed now

[DCofNC]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I wasn't suggesting he play under the 1 year tender.  I'm saying sit-out until they give in.

Got it

[BigDingus]

Tbf, he's only played 4 years in the league, is 26 years old & made 3 x Pro Bowls already.

 

David Bakhtiari is 31 & makes $23 million, signing a 4 year contract extension in 2020.

 

Trent Williams is 34 & also makes $23 million a year, signing a 6 year contract extension in 2021.

 

So if Brown comes to market, he's going to get $25+ million anyway due to contract inflation + his young age alone. 

Edited July 27, 2022 by BigDingus

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[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

When did RGIII become a news breaking reporter? Good luck to him. 

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8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

When did RGIII become a news breaking reporter? Good luck to him. 

 

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[FilthyBeast]

On 7/26/2022 at 1:10 PM, MiltonWaddams said:

Another reason I am happy to have the braintrust of Beane and Co in charge of our Bills. Players want to be here and are rewarded accordingly for doing so. The Chiefs, perennial contenders at this point, had the equivalent of a Stefon Diggs trade and a Dion Dawkins non-report this season. We would be losing it if that were the Bills...and the Chiefs management is actually well respected in the league

 

 

The Chiefs are taking a hard line stance with a lot of these guys like Hill and Brown because they have already been to a few SB's and won one and they know their current window is shrinking because of Mahomes deal so they aren't going to hand out max contracts to guy they feel can be replaced and or sacrifice a few 'transition' type of seasons heading into the next window of Mahomes career.

 

Bills are going to be a similar situation very soon and if they do win a SB this year you'll definitely see the true colors of a lot of players(and their agents specifically) in terms of wanting big pay days and new deals. In fact I still believe they have no intention of keeping Poyer beyond this season and know they are going to have to let Knox and/or Edmunds walk after this year as well.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The Chiefs are taking a hard line stance with a lot of these guys like Hill and Brown because they have already been to a few SB's and won one and they know their current window is shrinking because of Mahomes deal so they aren't going to hand out max contracts to guy they feel can be replaced and or sacrifice a few 'transition' type of seasons heading into the next window of Mahomes career.

 

Bills are going to be a similar situation very soon and if they do win a SB this year you'll definitely see the true colors of a lot of players(and their agents specifically) in terms of wanting big pay days and new deals. In fact I still believe they have no intention of keeping Poyer beyond this season and know they are going to have to let Knox and/or Edmunds walk after this year as well.

I think that is a good take on the situation. I guess, because of the draft years, we are one year behind the Chiefs in terms of having to deal with contract situation due to the contract extension that each of the teams’ star quarterbacks signed. I agree with you that Poyer is likely a goner after this year, mainly due to the fact that they more than likely would’ve signed a contract at this point if the plan was to retain him. We will see what comes of Knox and Edmunds and Oliver in the next few years.

[ghostwriter]

Generally speaking, I don’t think it’s good business to pay a LT $25M/yr, but the Chiefs gave up so many picks for this guy that they kinda have to. They should have made the trade contingent upon Brown signing with them in the first place.

[SCBills]

6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The Chiefs are taking a hard line stance with a lot of these guys like Hill and Brown because they have already been to a few SB's and won one and they know their current window is shrinking because of Mahomes deal so they aren't going to hand out max contracts to guy they feel can be replaced and or sacrifice a few 'transition' type of seasons heading into the next window of Mahomes career.

 

Bills are going to be a similar situation very soon and if they do win a SB this year you'll definitely see the true colors of a lot of players(and their agents specifically) in terms of wanting big pay days and new deals. In fact I still believe they have no intention of keeping Poyer beyond this season and know they are going to have to let Knox and/or Edmunds walk after this year as well.

This is why it gets so frustrating hearing some podcast guys, like Buffalo Fanatics, just yell to pay people like there aren’t future ramifications. 
 

Another reason we’ve gotten deals done, where KC hasn’t, is because Diggs/Dawkins didn’t demand what Hill/Brown have demanded. 
 

A guy like Poyer, while doing all the right things, seems like a guy who could contract demand his way out of Buffalo after this year. And nobody should hate him or Beane for it.. sometimes it’s just business. 
 

Gabriel Davis, if he has the year many are predicting, could also become a new deal candidate next off-season.  

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Generally speaking, I don’t think it’s good business to pay a LT $25M/yr.

 

Why?

[Bill from NYC]

10 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Generally speaking, I don’t think it’s good business to pay a LT $25M/yr, but the Chiefs gave up so many picks for this guy that they kinda have to. They should have made the trade contingent upon Brown signing with them in the first place.

Really? To whom (other than QB) would you rather give the money? 

 

Even QBs are no good while they are laying on their a$$.