Gugny Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Does Chicago really depend on tourism like a lot of other places? Maybe a little. I always thought of the area as a place to live and work... You want to be a tourist, you go elsewhere. Unless you wanna see downtown. So many better places to go to. My girlfriend and I had an absolutely fantastic time in Chicago last October. Loved it. 1 2 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Practically identical situation to the Buffalo shooter. Red flag laws need to be strengthened everywhere. A 22 year old with a history of death threats has no business obtaining a gun legally. These things are preventable. 1 1 1 1 Quote
T&C Posted July 5, 2022 Author Posted July 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Practically identical situation to the Buffalo shooter. Red flag laws need to be strengthened everywhere. A 22 year old with a history of death threats has no business obtaining a gun legally. These things are preventable. Yowza... that Is pretty scary alright. Agree on the red flag laws, wonder if its a lack of training or actual resources. Quote
muppy Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, Gugny said: My girlfriend and I had an absolutely fantastic time in Chicago last October. Loved it. DITTO. I have a gf who was born and raised there, stewardess for Southwest airlines out of Midway. I visited her and received the grand tour. We had an absolute blast. My fav was the mosaics stained glass museum on Navy Pier. It was breathtaking. 2 Quote
Augie Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gugny said: My girlfriend and I had an absolutely fantastic time in Chicago last October. Loved it. We were in Chicago for a wedding right before the opener last season. Absolutely lovely downtown and a lot to see an easy walk from the Hyatt Regency downtown on the water. LOVED the architectural boat tour. It was SO MUCH cleaner and nicer than most of Manhattan it was hard to believe! Now, if only they could stop shooting each other. Every big city is dangerous to some extent, but Chicago has a reputation for a reason. . Edited July 5, 2022 by Augie 3 Quote
716er Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Augie said: Every big city is dangerous to some extent, but Chicago has a reputation for a reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate Quote
Jauronimo Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Augie said: We were in Chicago for a wedding right before the opener last season. Absolutely lovely downtown and a lot to see an easy walk from the Hyatt Regency downtown on the water. LOVED the architectural boat tour. I was SO MUCH cleaner and nicer than most of Manhattan it was hard to believe! Now, if only they could stop shooting each other. Every big city is dangerous to some extent, but Chicago has a reputation for a reason. From what I've read over the years, Chicago razed a number of housing projects years ago which had the unexpected consequences of fragmenting and widely dispersing gangs across South Chicago. There is minimal organization and tiny, but ever moving territories. Its been a recipe for crazy gang related violence since. Of course, the violence is usually confined to neighborhoods which most Chicagoans and tourists would never have a reason to visit but that doesn't make it less of an issue. https://greatcities.uic.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/The_Fracturing_of_Gangs_and_Violence_in_Chicago.pdf 2 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 51 minutes ago, Augie said: We were in Chicago for a wedding right before the opener last season. Absolutely lovely downtown and a lot to see an easy walk from the Hyatt Regency downtown on the water. LOVED the architectural boat tour. I was SO MUCH cleaner and nicer than most of Manhattan it was hard to believe! Now, if only they could stop shooting each other. Every big city is dangerous to some extent, but Chicago has a reputation for a reason. Goes back to the Capone days. Even before that, the agrarian days. Gangster and guns... Political machine, etc... There's still a mixing of rural/country agrarian values too w/city. There are still places where it's perfectly legal to hunt in Chicago... And yes, on SouthSide, but not the media hyped places. LoL... It's an arms race out there. People can easily obtain guns for protection, outdoors/sportsman activities, etc... And close... Even just miles away. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 You know what's really beyond messed up? "Irina and Kevin McCarthy were among the dead victims identified Tuesday. The couple had brought their toddler son to the parade, according to a neighbor, Adrienne Rosenblatt. The boy was found alone after the shooting. Rosenblatt said she recognized him in an online notice and showed it to the boy's grandparents, who brought the boy home from the police station. “It’s just sad,” Rosenblatt said, adding, “Do you call him an orphan?” " How ***** -ing sad is this story! 😞 4 Quote
T&C Posted July 6, 2022 Author Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Goes back to the Capone days. Even before that, the agrarian days. Gangster and guns... Political machine, etc... There's still a mixing of rural/country agrarian values too w/city. There are still places where it's perfectly legal to hunt in Chicago... And yes, on SouthSide, but not the media hyped places. LoL... It's an arms race out there. People can easily obtain guns for protection, outdoors/sportsman activities, etc... And close... Even just miles away. And there is 3-D printing too. Its not the guns, its the people that use them. A knife on a counter won't kill anyone either. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, T&C said: And there is 3-D printing too. Its not the guns, its the people that use them. A knife on a counter won't kill anyone either. Yeah... But certain guns are more efficient. Wipeout a whole pile of people on one impulse. The knife less efficient. Quote
T&C Posted July 6, 2022 Author Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah... But certain guns are more efficient. Wipeout a whole pile of people on one impulse. The knife less efficient. A gun on a counter won't kill anyone either. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 37 minutes ago, T&C said: A gun on a counter won't kill anyone either. That's a dumb statement. It's all about convenience. But it has more potential energy than a knife. Same with suicide. Greater damage with impulsive action. 1 Quote
Gugny Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Augie said: We were in Chicago for a wedding right before the opener last season. Absolutely lovely downtown and a lot to see an easy walk from the Hyatt Regency downtown on the water. LOVED the architectural boat tour. It was SO MUCH cleaner and nicer than most of Manhattan it was hard to believe! Now, if only they could stop shooting each other. Every big city is dangerous to some extent, but Chicago has a reputation for a reason. . I think NYC/Manhattan is the greatest place on earth. I LOVE it. But after being in Chicago (my most recent trip was my second), I've always said that Chicago was as if someone took a vacuum cleaner to NYC. Such a cleaner city, as you said!! And the architectural boat tour was definitely a highlight for us, too! 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) This is honestly what I would do to mass murderers in this country… I am 100% for due process in this country but screw them The day we have them… Take them to the biggest tree in the park and hang them by the neck till their dead And put it on television Guaranteed it will go down… the amount of attack’s Edited July 6, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: This is honestly what I would do to mass murderers in this country… I am 100% for due process in this country but screw them The day we have them… Take them to the biggest tree in the park and hang them by the neck till their dead And put it on television Guaranteed it will go down… the amount of attack’s So, maybe 99%? 2 Quote
May Day 10 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: This is honestly what I would do to mass murderers in this country… I am 100% for due process in this country but screw them The day we have them… Take them to the biggest tree in the park and hang them by the neck till their dead And put it on television Guaranteed it will go down… the amount of attack’s My idea was feeding them into a tree chipper 1 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: This is honestly what I would do to mass murderers in this country… I am 100% for due process in this country but screw them The day we have them… Take them to the biggest tree in the park and hang them by the neck till their dead And put it on television Guaranteed it will go down… the amount of attack’s You think it changed things or created more of a public circus? There's reasons why things were changed 90 years ago. https://www.grunge.com/342564/this-was-the-last-public-execution-in-the-united-states/ Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: You think it changed things or created more of a public circus? There's reasons why things were changed 90 years ago. https://www.grunge.com/342564/this-was-the-last-public-execution-in-the-united-states/ Yep but what were the violent crime percentages compared to now Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 45 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yep but what were the violent crime percentages compared to now Probably worse. The last public execution was a 26 year old guy that raped and murdered a 70 year old woman. Gee the threat of a public hanging in Kentucky really deterred him... Quote
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