2022 USFL Championship, Stars vs Stallions, Fox 7:30p ET

[Big Turk]

The USFL set offensive football back 30 years. OMG those games were brutal to watch offensively. Games were like 13-10, 17-13, etc...

 

The QB play was really bad most times also...literally reminded me of watching "bad Tyrod" where he would struggle to complete a pass or get first downs most of the game.

 

They are going to have to do something about that and if they can't due to lack of talent, make rule changes that encourage more offense.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

The USFL set offensive football back 30 years. OMG those games were brutal to watch offensively. Games were like 13-10, 17-13, etc...

 

The QB play was really bad most times also...literally reminded me of watching "bad Tyrod" where he would struggle to complete a pass or get first downs most of the game.

 

They are going to have to do something about that and if they can't due to lack of talent, make rule changes that encourage more offense.

 

You're exaggerating a bit on the scoring. There were plenty of high-point games too. But you have to maintain some perspective here. How great can you be when you are drafting an entire team 6 weeks before the season starts? So yes, USFL offenses were a lot more basic. But what you're looking at is execution, and that was pretty good. Stop comparing spring football to the NFL.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Nope, you said that already. And your point is still moot.

 

Hello XFL. Goodbye pandemic. 👋 

 

This is the 3rd time we've said "hello" to the XFL..

 

 

Why didn't McMahon just wait it out, come back the next season after we said "goodbye pandemic"?

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This is the 3rd time we've said "hello" to the XFL..

 

 

Why didn't McMahon just wait it out, come back the next season after we said "goodbye pandemic"?

Because he sucks. Have you seen the news on him lately? The league is in better hands now.

[PromoTheRobot]

16 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Because he sucks. Have you seen the news on him lately? The league is in better hands now.

 

The fact that TV networks like ESPN/ABC (for XFL) and Fox/NBC (for USFL) want football in the spring, and investing in it, tells you all you need to know. They know there's a market for spring ball. It doesn't have to outperform the NFL. Then there's sports betting dollars, something that earlier spring leagues didn't have.

Edited July 11, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[hjnick]

If the USFL teams can keep continuity with their coaching staffs and the QB, the offenses should be better next year.

 

Also, the USFL was smart and saved costs so they would survive.

 

Hopefully they succeed.

[PromoTheRobot]

5 hours ago, hjnick said:

If the USFL teams can keep continuity with their coaching staffs and the QB, the offenses should be better next year.

 

Also, the USFL was smart and saved costs so they would survive.

 

Hopefully they succeed.

 

https://usflnewsroom.com/column/the-key-to-the-usfls-success-a-strong-infrastructure-with-fox/

[Mr. WEO]

On 7/11/2022 at 2:40 PM, LeGOATski said:

Because he sucks. Have you seen the news on him lately? The league is in better hands now.

 

He saw the huge financial losses the league had for him.  It had no chance to make money.    The funniest part of all this is that there will be 2 semipro leagues competing for the tiny number of viewers who watch these games, splitting an already paltry pie.

 

Football viewers in this country have proven that they won't support these league over and over....now there will be two of them at once.  Solid business plan!

 

On 7/11/2022 at 2:47 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The fact that TV networks like ESPN/ABC (for XFL) and Fox/NBC (for USFL) want football in the spring, and investing in it, tells you all you need to know. They know there's a market for spring ball. It doesn't have to outperform the NFL. Then there's sports betting dollars, something that earlier spring leagues didn't have.

 

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

https://usflnewsroom.com/column/the-key-to-the-usfls-success-a-strong-infrastructure-with-fox/

 

From "the USFL Newsroom"!!  

 

This is where they hide the bad news: "as each game averaged around 715k viewers across each respective network."  Clearly, they are ignoring the fact that the ratings steadily and significantly declined for all games as the season headed to its end (I posted upstream).   The 4 games of week 10 pulled in 239k, 649k, 282k, and 181k viewers.  The final game of the season had under 200k.  The USFL is proudly comparing itself against other products like MLS in ratings.  But MLS makes a huge chunk of its money at the gate.  USFL has empty stadiums (even for the home team).   And now they will have to share the football nation's very small appetite for "Spring football" with another low level league (both competing for the same retreads and rejects to fill their rosters).

 

Sure, Fox can put a little money into this product on speculation (they list it as an "investment").  When the costs of leaving "the Magic City" to actually play in cities kick in, they will pick a point and cash out.

 

And then there's this inevitable bit of news:

 

"From ESPN:

The XFL continued its efforts to counterprogram the USFL’s return to the field by convening a virtual meeting of agents Monday night to pitch them on the league’s plans for 2023 and beyond … The XFL’s top football executives — Marc Ross, Doug Whaley and Russ Giglio — told agents that the XFL would offer higher salaries and better benefits than the USFL.

Ross, Whaley and Giglio also suggested that the XFL’s season schedule, which will begin in February and end in May, would be more “advantageous” for players who want to get subsequent consideration from NFL teams. the XFL will have 200 more players employed (eight teams with 70-man rosters; the USFL has 45-man rosters) and promises larger salaries and full housing and meal costs in-season. "

 

Plus the XFL has an official collaboration with the NFL and  a 5 year  deal with Disney ESPN/ABC.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2022 by Mr. WEO

[LeGOATski]

44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He saw the huge financial losses the league had for him.  It had no chance to make money.    The funniest part of all this is that there will be 2 semipro leagues competing for the tiny number of viewers who watch these games, splitting an already paltry pie.

 

Football viewers in this country have proven that they won't support these league over and over....now there will be two of them at once.  Solid business plan!

 

Dude, you've already said this, except this time you left out the part about the pandemic. You're repeating yourself and making your argument weaker at the same time.

 

In the same post you cite the 5 yr deal the XFL has with ESPN/ Disney (the largest, richest media company in the world). Seems like they're doing fine and get better with each iteration.

 

Your point is lost.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

Dude, you've already said this, except this time you left out the part about the pandemic. You're repeating yourself and making your argument weaker at the same time.

 

In the same post you cite the 5 yr deal the XFL has with ESPN/ Disney (the largest, richest media company in the world). Seems like they're doing fine and get better with each iteration.

 

Your point is lost.

 

 

Clearly lost on you.  McMahon could have waited out the pandemic like every sports league in the spring he was competing with.  He cashed out.  Simple as that.

 

The point about the XFL is that it's got a TV contract--this will make it viable competition for the USFL.  They can't split a few hundred thousand viewers a game and survive for long.  The Rock doesn't have the cash McMahon did for financing the XFL. 

 

Every new spring league was "***** fine"...until it went belly up.  So your argument that the XFL, despite not having put a game on yet,  is "doing fine" is an excellent point...lol.

[LeGOATski]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Clearly lost on you.  McMahon could have waited out the pandemic like every sports league in the spring he was competing with.  He cashed out.  Simple as that.

 

The point about the XFL is that it's got a TV contract--this will make it viable competition for the USFL.  They can't split a few hundred thousand viewers a game and survive for long.  The Rock doesn't have the cash McMahon did for financing the XFL. 

 

Every new spring league was "***** fine"...until it went belly up.  So your argument that the XFL, despite not having put a game on yet,  is "doing fine" is an excellent point...lol.

No he couldn't. Because he was also trying to keep the WWE going amid that pandemic, while paying millions in shady hush money apparently...lol. The guy was not going to keep his league afloat by himself or be a good spokesman for it, no matter what he wanted. And he's not dumb. He didn't sell because of the black-and-white reason you want to think he did.

 

The fact that you're trying to stand on an argument around Dwayne Johnson's net worth tells me you're "belly up" in this discussion.