Putin Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, WyoAZBillfan said: And yet, millions come here legally and illegally for a reason. STILL the greatest country in the world. Love it, or leave it. Pretty simple one would think. Amen to that 2 1
ganesh Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said: He's not a good qb. Probably still better than Nate F...g Peterman !!!! 1 1 1 1
pennstate10 Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, Mickey said: Not even close. There are many far more inclusive societies and quite a number of them didn't have to endure a bloody civil war that took the lives of thousands upon thousands just to get rid of slavery. On the Liberty Index, the US currently ranks 26th in the world behind Japan and just ahead of Uruguay. I’m curious as to your definition of inclusive. And exactly which societies are more inclusive than ours. Your example of Japan is a joke. It’s next to impossible for a non-native Japanese to become a citizen of Japan. I have a friend whose mom is Japanese, and has worked in Japan for >30 years. He cannot become a Japanese citizen. Japan is one of the most homogeneous societies on earth. Tell me, which countries on earth today are more diverse than the US? 3 2 7
Robert Paulson Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 28 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: I’m curious as to your definition of inclusive. And exactly which societies are more inclusive than ours. Your example of Japan is a joke. It’s next to impossible for a non-native Japanese to become a citizen of Japan. I have a friend whose mom is Japanese, and has worked in Japan for >30 years. He cannot become a Japanese citizen. Japan is one of the most homogeneous societies on earth. Tell me, which countries on earth today are more diverse than the US? depending on your definition of diverse or inclusive - some would say Brasil 1
Augie Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: A person of color calling attention to this country's totaled messed up race-relations situation by virtue of exercising his right to self expression...and this forum pisses all over the guy. Every single man or woman who has ever died in any war for this country did so so that Keep could go down on a knee before a football game. When you piss on Keep, you piss on every one of those dead heroes. It also has nothing to do with police brutality, which is real and needs to be addressed. For ME, it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin, or the heroes who died defending our country. ZERO. It also has nothing to do with police brutality, which is very real and needs to be addressed. For me personally, it has everything to do with the venue where he protested. He was on the job, and in uniform. He was not representing his employer or team. He was an unauthorized distraction, and he knew it. He has every right to protest, but he had to be ready to face those consequences. I could not have taken a stand like that at work without being shown the door. So, as far as pissing on anyone, speak for yourself, because you do NOT speak for me. EDIT: Oh, and Warren Sapp is an idiot, but it doesn’t mean he’s wrong here. . Edited June 27, 2022 by Augie 5 2 1
Southern_Bills Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 This thread is exactly why he can't get a job (besides the fact he's rusty from not playing), you can't have a conversation about his football skills with his activist career coming up. No team wants nor needs that. 2
Bookie Man Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, ganesh said: Probably still better than Nate F...g Peterman !!!! Not at the current time. 1
freddyjj Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 Lol not surprising. He was an athlete trying to play QB. His socialist lady friend Nessa Diab prodded him to become an activist. As an MTV personality she confused their show Real World with the real world. Hard lesson learned by Colin. 1
dawolv Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Where is the tape? I am a bit shocked it wasn't recorded. Sapp back in the day was a beast, but now is just a fat dude who lost most of his $$$ gambling looking for attention. To say the king of INTS is better than someone who actually got to a SB and still keeps himself in shape is just silly. I was never a big CK fan as a player but I respect his activism and he was a better player than many. Edited June 27, 2022 by dawolv
BillsFan4 Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, WyoAZBillfan said: Love it, or leave it. Pretty simple one would think. I view things much differently. You don’t have to love everything about America or leave. I think true patriotic Americans don’t just leave the country because they don’t like something about it. They work to make American a better place. I think that is precisely what makes America so great. History is filled with patriotic Americans who worked to make America a better country. Would you have told Martin Luther king jr or Susan B. Anthony to “love it or leave”? Of course not, right? They fought (peacefully) to make America a better place for all Americans. Americans fought to end Slavery. Fought for Civil rights. For Women’s rights. Workers rights. Equality. Voting rights (Etc). Just to be clear, I am not talking about Kaepernick and I’m definitely not comparing him to MLK jr or Susan b Anthony. I am also not saying that america isn’t a great country (it is). I am just addressing the “love it or leave it” comment/mentality. 6 1
MJS Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 2 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: This. Time away from football has to play a huge role in Kaepernick's current lack of readiness to play. I doubt any team is going to want to carry him for the year or three it could take to get him ready to play. He started sucking before he had time away from football. In fact, he had been benched for Blaine Gabbert. 50 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: This thread is exactly why he can't get a job (besides the fact he's rusty from not playing), you can't have a conversation about his football skills with his activist career coming up. No team wants nor needs that. There are many teams who would do just about anything to get a good QB, including breaking the rules, signing convicted felons, etc. The issue is not just his "activism", it's that he also is not a good QB. 4
AlfaBill Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, ganesh said: Probably still better than Nate F...g Peterman !!!! Maybe. But Nate has no baggage. Kaep was average at best. With his BS why bother? Not like Watson who is really good. The NFL will put with it if the players worth it. CK is not. Never was and never will be.
Nelius Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 Not a Kaepernick apologist by any means and I wouldn't doubt if he's awful now, but there are slowly emerging counter arguments to this, and a general sense of it being Warren Sapp trying to regain relevancy. Granted, that's only from Kaep's agent and Raiders talking heads so far, but it's not as if Sapp is the most trusted source in media. Didn't he pretty much fade from view entirely after that prostitution thing? I don't really know why everybody thinks Sapp has credible inside info all of the sudden as if he's a regular provider of breaking news 1
Norcalbillsfan Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, MJS said: He started sucking before he had time away from football. In fact, he had been benched for Blaine Gabbert. The issue is not just his "activism", it's that he also is not a good QB. I dont understand why people forget this. I feel like so many people only think of his super bowl run and then he magically lost his job immediately after that because of protesting. I live in California, niner fans were DONE with him. I remember Jerry Rice even said he needs to be benched. He was just not a good qb. 2 2
JoPoy88 Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 3 hours ago, WyoAZBillfan said: And yet, millions come here legally and illegally for a reason. STILL the greatest country in the world. Love it, or leave it. Pretty simple one would think. simple if your opinion is this reductionist. Out in the real world there are shades of gray. 1 1
Nelius Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 Opinions of Sapp aside, it is weird that Kaepernick is still relying on these shadowy pro workouts to propel him back into the NFL as if he's some kind of legendary figure. There are numerous other leagues now and it's been 6 years bro. Even diehards who think he got blackballed have to be skeptical simply because it's been 6 years bro. Swallow some pride and go demolish Kyle Sloter and Paxton Lynch in the USFL, guys who are also still sniffing around a chance in the NFL and are legitimately your competition at this point. I can't think of an easier way to raise some eyebrows and win more public support. Instead its these clandestine workouts that only 3 people and apparently zero media are allowed to attend.
Rick 'r Mortis Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 I couldn't give 2 ***** about his taking a knee for whatever. If he somehow miraculously came back, he's third string at best.
Da webster guy Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: A person of color calling attention to this country's totaled messed up race-relations situation by virtue of exercising his right to self expression...and this forum pisses all over the guy. Every single man or woman who has ever died in any war for this country did so so that Keep could go down on a knee before a football game. When you piss on Keep, you piss on every one of those dead heroes. There are many who strongly disagree with you, they feel that everyone should stand as a sign of respect to the flag. Kap used to sit on the bench for the anthem, then he switched to the kneeling which I think was a better move. I have interest in his tryout for the NFL because I felt the narrative that Kap was some elite player that got his career ended short because he chose to protest is simply not true. The majority of non-football fans believe the guy sacrificed his career for some greater good, when the reality is the guy was a backup QB on his way out of football. Then he took a huge check from Nike and they ran ads that said Believe in Something, Even if it Means Sacrificing Everything, and the lie got pushed even further. At that point, I felt there was no chance this guy would ever try to make another NFL roster because it will reveal that he's simply not very good, and he didn't really sacrifice ANYTHING. In fact, he likely made more money from the kneeling that he would have if he tried to stay in the league and hold a clipboard for a few more years. Nike should run a new Kaep ad that says Believe in Something, Especially if it Makes you Rich..... I really respect the guy for actually trying to play again, even though we all know what the result was going to be. 4
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