ChiGoose Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Wrong. First, let the legislature do its job. If cases arise from their legislative actions, then the court can rule, or the legislature can rewrite their legislation. Trust the Process. “Trust the process” is an incredibly belittling and asinine response. All day, every day on this board, everyone talks about how corrupt all politicians are. How they don’t care about the people, only their own power and money. And when we see something like a 10 year old rape victim having to cross state lines into Indiana, the actual reaction by politicians is for Indiana to pass tougher restricting and their AG to threaten to prosecute the doctor who performed the abortion. In Texas, we see doctors waiting until a woman’s life is in danger to treat a non-viable pregnancy, and women who were trying to start families are now giving up because it’s too risky under the laws just passed by the legislature. A long-sought victory for “pro-life” people is resulting in an increase in sterilizations. And in red states across the country, the reaction from politicians is to try to pass laws similar to those that resulted in these scenarios. Not prevent them, but to create more of them. And your response is to ignore all of reality, put your blinders on, bury your head in the sand, and pretend none of this is happening and it will all magically be solved at some point in the nebulous future by virtuous legislatures responding to the will of the people. How could anyone be convinced by that argument? It requires an insane amount of ignorance of reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: “Trust the process” is an incredibly belittling and asinine response. All day, every day on this board, everyone talks about how corrupt all politicians are. How they don’t care about the people, only their own power and money. And when we see something like a 10 year old rape victim having to cross state lines into Indiana, the actual reaction by politicians is for Indiana to pass tougher restricting and their AG to threaten to prosecute the doctor who performed the abortion. In Texas, we see doctors waiting until a woman’s life is in danger to treat a non-viable pregnancy, and women who were trying to start families are now giving up because it’s too risky under the laws just passed by the legislature. A long-sought victory for “pro-life” people is resulting in an increase in sterilizations. And in red states across the country, the reaction from politicians is to try to pass laws similar to those that resulted in these scenarios. Not prevent them, but to create more of them. And your response is to ignore all of reality, put your blinders on, bury your head in the sand, and pretend none of this is happening and it will all magically be solved at some point in the nebulous future by virtuous legislatures responding to the will of the people. How could anyone be convinced by that argument? It requires an insane amount of ignorance of reality. Nice Goose. When you don’t get your way, start tossing out the asinine label. I’m willing to let the legislature give it a try. You apparently are not. It doesn’t make me an ass. It just makes me a guy with a different opinion. DEAL WITH IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nice Goose. When you don’t get your way, start tossing out the asinine label. I’m willing to let the legislature give it a try. You apparently are not. It doesn’t make me an ass. It just makes me a guy with a different opinion. DEAL WITH IT. I think it’s fair to debate when life begins. That’s a reasonable thing to have differing opinions on. But to look at the current abortion law landscape, their effects, and the trends, and to think that they are moving in a direction that balances the rights of women and their healthcare against that of the fetus takes an incredible amount of credulity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I think it’s fair to debate when life begins. That’s a reasonable thing to have differing opinions on. But to look at the current abortion law landscape, their effects, and the trends, and to think that they are moving in a direction that balances the rights of women and their healthcare against that of the fetus takes an incredible amount of credulity. Goose, I’ve come to respect the depth and reasoning that you come to your opinions but no matter how many REALLY LONG entries you post they’re still just your opinions. Try and respect other people’s opinions. I think you’ll find it to be fun! Edited July 26, 2022 by SoCal Deek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Goose, I’ve come to respect the depth and reasoning that you come to your opinions but no matter how many REALLY LONG entries you post they’re still just your opinions. Try and respect other people’s opinions. I think you’ll find it to be fun! daGoose seems to love the purity of the process on certain issues, letting things play out, trusting the process and people involved….but not so much on other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Goose, I’ve come to respect the depth and reasoning that you come to your opinions but no matter how many REALLY LONG entries you post they’re still just your opinions. Try and respect other people’s opinions. I think you’ll find it to be fun! Yes, it is my opinion that allowing states to legislate rights is dangerous and in this case will result in increases of maternal morbidity, uncertainly in healthcare, and pave a nice slope for zealots to see how many things that Americans currently enjoy they can outlaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 11 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Yes, it is my opinion that allowing states to legislate rights is dangerous and in this case will result in increases of maternal morbidity, uncertainly in healthcare, and pave a nice slope for zealots to see how many things that Americans currently enjoy they can outlaw. The liberal dogma runs deep you in Goose. The Legislature will not to be writing laws to legislate 'rights'....especially rights you do NOT have. If the Court believed you had those rights, they wouldn't have given the opinion they just did. Instead the Legislature will be crafting medical practice laws. (That may not be the correct term, or even what they choose to call them, but I believe those sort of laws are well within their power/jurisdiction.) Once again, you do not have the right to kill a child, and neither does your doctor. The core of the legislative debate will be, and always has been, when does society believe that the yet born infant becomes a child....and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 No comment necessary. Democrats Push Bill to Allow U.S. Aid to Fund Abortions Around the World Newsweek, by Khaleda Rahman The Supreme Court's historic decision to overturn Roe v. Wade was quickly felt around the country as states quickly moved to enact abortion bans. But abortion rights advocates fear not enough attention is being given to how the impact of the decision will ripple around the world. (snip) To expand access to abortion globally, Democrats introduced a bill—the Abortion is Health Care Everywhere Act—in the Senate on Wednesday that seeks to repeal the Helms Amendment. https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-push-bill-allow-us-aid-fund-abortions-world-1728338 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Vote BLUE no matter who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 10:36 AM, B-Man said: No comment necessary. Democrats Push Bill to Allow U.S. Aid to Fund Abortions Around the World Newsweek, by Khaleda Rahman The Supreme Court's historic decision to overturn Roe v. Wade was quickly felt around the country as states quickly moved to enact abortion bans. But abortion rights advocates fear not enough attention is being given to how the impact of the decision will ripple around the world. (snip) To expand access to abortion globally, Democrats introduced a bill—the Abortion is Health Care Everywhere Act—in the Senate on Wednesday that seeks to repeal the Helms Amendment. https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-push-bill-allow-us-aid-fund-abortions-world-1728338 No comment necessary in the fact that women should be the only ones who choose what is best for their body. Governments should have ZERO say in who can and cannot get an abortion. Want the baby? Great, keep it. Don't want it? Cool, here's an abortion. It's SUPER ***** easy, actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share Posted August 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, Plano said: It's SUPER ***** easy, actually. Unless, like hundreds of millions of people, you believe that you are killing a baby. So there is that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Unless, like hundreds of millions of people, you believe that you are killing a baby. So there is that . And despite the fact that the idea of life beginning at conception is a relatively new concept (especially in the US), these people get to impose their beliefs and will upon everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, B-Man said: Unless, like hundreds of millions of people, you believe that you are killing a baby. So there is that . Sit down. If you want to thump the bible all day, that's all well and good. But it is LITERALLY not a discussion. If someone wants an abortion, it's their right. People seem dead set on really caring about that baby until it's born, then it's no longer their issue. "BUH GAWD THOSE PEOPLE ON WELFARE, THEIR MONEY COMIN' OFF OF OUR BACKS!" 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Plano said: Sit down. If you want to thump the bible all day, that's all well and good. But it is LITERALLY not a discussion. If someone wants an abortion, it's their right. People seem dead set on really caring about that baby until it's born, then it's no longer their issue. "BUH GAWD THOSE PEOPLE ON WELFARE, THEIR MONEY COMIN' OFF OF OUR BACKS!" In a word….yikes! Is it possible to bury your head in the sand any deeper? Sure….that’s not a baby. Why? Because you can’t see it from your house? Nice! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: In a word….yikes! Is it possible to bury your head in the sand any deeper? Sure….that’s not a baby. Why? Because you can’t see it from your house? Nice! Pot, kettle, kettle, pot. Now that you're properly introduced... It is absolutely NONE of your ***** business as to what anyone does with their body. Now, please... YOU, sit down and shut up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Plano said: No comment necessary in the fact that women should be the only ones who choose what is best for their body. Governments should have ZERO say in who can and cannot get an abortion. Want the baby? Great, keep it. Don't want it? Cool, here's an abortion. It's SUPER ***** easy, actually. You mean abortion? No one cares if a woman gets a boob job or face life. It's only abortion we are talking about. Why beat around the bush with "their body"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: You mean abortion? No one cares if a woman gets a boob job or face life. It's only abortion we are talking about. Why beat around the bush with "their body"? You obviously know what I meant, so stop cherry picking. Again, nobody should give two ***** and a ***** what they do with their body. Be it abortion, sex change, boob job, nose job, tummy tuck, etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Plano said: Pot, kettle, kettle, pot. Now that you're properly introduced... It is absolutely NONE of your ***** business as to what anyone does with their body. Now, please... YOU, sit down and shut up. The discussion is not about her body. It’s about the baby’s body…but you know that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: The discussion is not about her body. It’s about the baby’s body…but you know that. If the people advocating these laws *actually* cared about the baby, they would enact laws that supported pregnant women, made it easier to make the decision to keep the baby, and support mothers and babies after the birth. But instead, states with restrictive abortion laws also have worse maternal and child health outcomes than those with looser abortion laws. They have higher rates of child poverty, uninsured women and children, low-birthweight babies, infant mortality, and maternal mortality. So clearly, they don't actually care about the babies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: The discussion is not about her body. It’s about the baby’s body…but you know that. Of course I know that. I also know a thing or two about a woman's body, too. Which I'm sure you have zero experience with that. Again, sod off. And it's not a discussion. You are an ass-hat if you think that governments controlling abortions= even REMOTELY acceptable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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