FireChans Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Andy1 said: Are only men concerned about the life of the unborn? What I suggested was hypothetical of course, but I still believe that women understand this complex issue on a far deeper level than men. Based on what? What hidden knowledge do "women" inherently possess? Just now, BillStime said: The cult never cared about the details. Let's reform CPS instead of tweeting about it then. Oh, wait. Crickets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Exactly - transforming America just the way the cult likes. And oh - freakshow - we all know the cult will, too, still get abortions even if they are outlawed - because no one will stop a woman from making that ultimate decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Andy1 said: Are only men concerned about the life of the unborn? What I suggested was hypothetical of course, but I still believe that women understand this complex issue on a far deeper level than men. I clearly stated all of us need to solve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, FireChans said: This would be a good point if there was any way to get pregnant without having sex. But there isn’t. They know the game and the score. If you don’t accept it, don’t play. People don't give up their bodily autonomy because they made poor choices. I won't ever compromise on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 “ Jack” is confused. SCOTUS did not impose or end anything. One of these things ( guns) is in a Constitutional amendment. The other ( abortion) is not. They correctly ruled on what the States can and cannot do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, Pokebball said: The next day, or the next week, I want to claim personal autonomy and unplug you. Moral? My opinion is no, it isn't. I'm talking about legality, not morality. In the hypothetical you presented no I would not want it to be illegal to unplug the tube. I don't want the government forcing people through criminal law to violate their bodily autonomy. Morality is subjective. I don't want the government involved in that decision, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: People don't give up their bodily autonomy because they made poor choices. I won't ever compromise on that. And they won’t ; unless the will of the people in all 50 states doesn’t allow another person to perform a procedure on said individual. My best guess is that this will not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: Based on what? What hidden knowledge do "women" inherently possess? Let's reform CPS instead of tweeting about it then. Oh, wait. Crickets. That would require the cult to have to actually fund it - freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm talking about legality, not morality. In the hypothetical you presented no I would not want it to be illegal to unplug the tube. I don't want the government forcing people through criminal law to violate their bodily autonomy. Morality is subjective. I don't want the government involved in that decision, period. My libertarian side agrees with you. The design of our government as laid out by the founders says they will be involved. It’s up to the people to decide the level of that involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: People don't give up their bodily autonomy because they made poor choices. I won't ever compromise on that. What? Yes they do, all the time. Unless you think people consent to those pesky lethal injections when they get the death penalty. 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: That would require the cult to have to actually fund it - freak Put a bill on the floor. Who controls Congress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: Based on what? What hidden knowledge do "women" inherently possess? Let's reform CPS instead of tweeting about it then. Oh, wait. Crickets. So the government should require a test be given for parenthood? Great , I’m all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm talking about legality, not morality. In the hypothetical you presented no I would not want it to be illegal to unplug the tube. I don't want the government forcing people through criminal law to violate their bodily autonomy. Morality is subjective. I don't want the government involved in that decision, period. Sure, but I propose our laws are generally a result of what we think is moral and how decisions impact the two parties (or more) involved. Let's add a twist to personal autonomy. Thinking the logic is that your body is your property and thus the personal autonomy, does this autonomy extend to personal property? Let's say I get this morning head down to the dock and take my dingy out into the water. After I get out aways, I realize there is a drunk passed out in my boat. He's dirty and he stinks. Can I claim personal autonomy and throw him overboard? It's my boat? Edited June 25, 2022 by Pokebball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Sure, but I propose our laws are generally a result of what we think is moral and how decisions impact the two parties (or more) involved. Yes , or in the case of abortion when and how much the government should be involved at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yes , or in the case of abortion when and how much the government should be involved at all. LIFE, liberty and the pursuit.... It's complicated Edited June 25, 2022 by Pokebball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, Pokebball said: LIFE, liberty and the pursuit.... And whose? Again , abortion not mentioned so .. the States. Pregnant woman has a say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pokebball said: LIFE, liberty and the pursuit.... It's complicated You're right - that's straight from ... the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, which, if you care to use it as an interpretative source for the CONSTITUTION, may suggest (rather more strongly, I'd say) that the "liberty" interest prevails over the "potential" life interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: You're right - that's straight from ... the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, which, if you care to use it as an interpretative source for the CONSTITUTION, may suggest (rather more strongly, I'd say) that the "liberty" interest prevails over the "potential" life interest. Or at least that nothing can be pursued without autonomy. Can anything be pursued in the womb ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Sure, but I propose our laws are generally a result of what we think is moral and how decisions impact the two parties (or more) involved. Let's add a twist to personal autonomy. Thinking the logic is that your body is your property and thus the personal autonomy, does this autonomy extend to personal property? Let's say I get this morning head down to the dock and take my dingy out into the water. After I get out aways, I realize there is a drunk passed out in my boat. He's dirty and he stinks. Can I claim personal autonomy and throw him overboard? It's my boat? Let's say you mistakenly ***** into a fertile woman, and you immediately throw her in a very hot chlorinated spa to try to nip the potential life in the bud. Have you committed murder? Stupid analogies will always be with us, on both sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) Here's the thing. I am a professing evangelical Christian and I do consider life sacred. I wish men and women would do the ultimately best and most responsible thing and USE PROTECTION to prevent a pregnancy. You dont hear people up in arms about contraception for the most part. Which is obviously preventing a pregnancy from occurring/advancing.. HOW DARE WOMEN WANT TO PREVENT A PREGNANCY.. The Horror!................. @-@ wait just a minute. So we can elect to have control of our reproductive choices and our bodies ....except when a zygote is present that has zero chance of viability at this point and for weeks forward then we re stripped of the choice? This is a very serious controversial topic. For me it is logical to hate abortion but be pro choice. Edited June 25, 2022 by muppy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, FireChans said: What? Yes they do, all the time. Unless you think people consent to those pesky lethal injections when they get the death penalty. Put a bill on the floor. Who controls Congress? Wait - you want federal funds (from blue states) to bail out what red states won’t fund on their own? Cute. The stats already show that a majority of blue states have fewer poor kids per capita, fewer dead babies and fewer children raised by children. Childhood Poverty: https://data.ers.usda.gov/reports.aspx?ID=17826 Infant Mortality: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm Teen Birth Rate: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htm Pay up red states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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