Why don't NFL players have Tommy John surgery?

[Royale with Cheese]

28 minutes ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

The same reason you rarely see torn labrum injuries in QBs as a result of throwing. The arm path is completely different and the overall stress on the UCL isn’t near the same as a baseball player. 
 

Every pitch is thrown with maximum intent and passes in football are not. The power generated through the kinetic chain from ankle flexion all the way through hip and shoulder separation to external rotation in the shoulder then finally into the elbow is exponentially higher in baseball. I have Modus data to back this up but it’s just charts and graphs and not great for this format. For a visual just imagine in your head how a pitcher finishes off every pitch and how a QB finishes every throw. One is considerably more violent than the other. Pitchers have much more in common with javelin throwers than QBs when it comes to arm and shoulder stress and studying javelin throwing was how many breakthroughs in velocity happened. 
 

And as many people have mentioned in this thread, the overall difference in the number of reps in a game or practice is vast. Without taking into account spring and offseason work a starting professional pitcher will throw 5000ish pitches in season. Even the most sparsely used relievers will throw at a volume that QBs just don’t see. 

 

They'll throw about 30 pitches in the bullpen to warm up before the game starts.  Then they get 8 warm up pitches before the inning starts.

 

They'll take two days off and then start throwing again...probably some long tossing at some point.  

[LABILLBACKER]

26 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Baseball is a great sport !

 

I'm watching my Beloved Atlanta Braves win 11 games in a row !

 

Very exciting !

As I watch my beloved Angels crap the bed again with 2 of the best players in baseball. 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I'm not sure how he survives each game.

 

 

 

 

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

 

I thought that was Lou Keekly for a second.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

So, Josh hurling rocks downfield is equivalent to Goofus?

NPeterman not throwing a 'Hail Mary' to end the half is Gallant?

🤔

 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

A serious question:

 

Baseball players/pitchers sometime require Tommy John surgery because the throwing motion in baseball is unnatural (overhand).

Softball players don't require Tommy John because underhand throwing is actually the natural motion for our arms and shoulders.

 

NFL QB's throw overhand....

 

I'm surprised more QB's haven't had to undergo Tommy John surgery.

 

Is there a reason?

Overhand throwing has been around since before humans left Africa, spears rocks etc the motion comes naturally, what is un-natural its what baseball pitchers do, super high velocity repeated many thousands of times in a relatively short period of time, and for many years,  even in the lithic ages, a device for propelling spears at high velocity was devised, those guys where smarter that baseball players… soccer moms use these devices to throw tennis ball at parks for their dogs

 

 

[BringBackFergy]

25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

Faker. That’s the biggest hoax since Will Smith “slapped” Chris Rock. Great theater though. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Creating torque to throw breaking pitches and cut fastballs puts a lot of stain on the elbow.  This kind of motion is not generally used to throw a football, although some of the unusual throws by Mahomes could be an example of an exception.

[Royale with Cheese]

56 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I thought that was Lou Keekly for a second.

Well you were wrong.

37 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Faker. That’s the biggest hoax since Will Smith “slapped” Chris Rock. Great theater though. 

Did you know he did it twice?

[TheFunPolice]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

This makes sense.  Historically, I'm wondering how many MLB pitchers have undergone surgery after only two or three years in the minors/majors.  Plus, a lot of NFL QB's played baseball for years.

 

With all due respect, you're full of it.

 

Have you ever tried to stay awake for an entire baseball game?

 

It aint easy. 

 

[Draconator]

Hockey is more grueling than football. 

 

On 2nd thought, cooking on Master Chef with Gordon Ramsey barking in your face is more grueling than football.

Edited June 13, 2022 by Draconator

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

QBs usually throw the ball less than 10 yards in the air.

 

 

 

Ahh, now it makes sense! Tua is actually ahead of the curve and he’s just pacing himself to have a 20 year career!  

 

 

 

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Edited June 13, 2022 by Augie

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

 

 

That’s just gut wrenching to watch

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

That’s just gut wrenching to watch

 

He did it twice in his career.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

As I watch my beloved Angels crap the bed again with 2 of the best players in baseball. 

Yep. Not just 2 of the best players in baseball - it’s one sure-thing first ballot hall of famer (Trout) and the best two-way player in the history of baseball (Babe Ruth pitched and hit at world class levels, but not at the same time). 
And somehow they won’t even make the playoffs?

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, mead107 said:

Need a robot to throw the balls. 
no more surgery 

 

 

Or they can kick it like futbol players.  

[Gugny]

As we approach three pages on this riveting topic, two things have become abundantly clear:

 

1.  I was right.

2.  @BringBackFergy needs to be reported.

 

Enjoy your vacation, Richard Head!!!

 

[Draconator]

37 minutes ago, Gugny said:

1.  I was right.

 

So was Scott Norwood

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Have you ever tried to stay awake for an entire baseball game?

 

It aint easy. 

 

There's an enormous amount of strategy going on.

 

It's really intense !

 

The next thing you're going to tell me is you think golf is boring?

Edited June 13, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

A serious question:

 

Baseball players/pitchers sometime require Tommy John surgery because the throwing motion in baseball is unnatural (overhand).

Softball players don't require Tommy John because underhand throwing is actually the natural motion for our arms and shoulders.

 

NFL QB's throw overhand....

 

I'm surprised more QB's haven't had to undergo Tommy John surgery.

 

Is there a reason?

If josh Allen were more delicate he might play baseball.