aristocrat Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: No, they helped him. I take it you consider the intelligence agencies the deep state or something? Do you condone those people claiming the election was stolen?
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, aristocrat said: They did not help him win. The democrats manufactured a russian hoax narrative to attempt to overturn the 2016 election. That's what happened. You are hopeless.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, aristocrat said: They did not help him win. The democrats manufactured a russian hoax narrative to attempt to overturn the 2016 election. That's what happened. You linked to democrat leadership alleging a stolen election and impugning the integrity of our elections. It wasn’t Russians who did that, it was American officials spreading fear, doubt and trust in the process. The point is, as with most other issues they pretend to be outraged about, they completely accept Stop the Steal type politicking so long as it furthers the agenda they support. 1 1 3
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You linked to democrat leadership alleging a stolen election and impugning the integrity of our elections. It wasn’t Russians who did that, it was American officials TRUMP spreading fear, doubt and trust in the process. The point is, as with most other issues they pretend to be outraged about, they completely accept Stop the Steal type politicking so long as it furthers the agenda they support. FIFY What Trump Told Supporters For Months Before They Attacked Apr. 7, 2020: Attacking the election Trump made one of his first false claims about the security of mail-in ballots. "Mail ballots are a very dangerous thing for this country, because they're cheaters," he said. "They go and collect them. They're fraudulent in many cases." In reality, mail-in ballots had been used safely by several states for years, with insignificant instances of fraud. The president himself had voted by mail. April 7 was a momentous day: the date of Wisconsin's presidential primary. Voters were standing in long lines despite the risk of coronavirus. The state Supreme Court had rejected an effort to extend absentee balloting in the pandemic. Other states were debating vote-by-mail measures for the fall election.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 ☝️ The original Stop the Steal as executed by democrats can be seen in the video previously shared by @aristocrat . Be that as it may, some people will play the fool and pretend it never happened. It’s an effective political strategy. Expect to see more of it in coming elections.
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: ☝️ The original Stop the Steal as executed by democrats can be seen in the video previously shared by @aristocrat . Be that as it may, some people will play the fool and pretend it never happened. It’s an effective political strategy. Expect to see more of it in coming elections. That doesn’t add up - Hillary conceded - something your savor never did. Keep spinning Leo
aristocrat Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: That doesn’t add up - Hillary conceded - something your savor never did. Keep spinning Leo https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-20/clinton-approved-trump-russia-leak-her-campaign-manager-says Hillary Clinton personally signed off on a plan in 2016 to quietly pitch to the media the now-discredited theory that computer servers at Donald Trump’s company had a secret communications link with a Russian bank, her former campaign manager told a jury. Robby Mook, a witness in the trial of a former Clinton campaign lawyer charged with lying to the FBI, on Friday testified that he and others at the campaign “weren’t totally confident” in the veracity of the server data, but they sent it to reporters anyway a few months before the election.
Doc Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: No, they helped him. I take it you consider the intelligence agencies the deep state or something? How?
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-20/clinton-approved-trump-russia-leak-her-campaign-manager-says Hillary Clinton personally signed off on a plan in 2016 to quietly pitch to the media the now-discredited theory that computer servers at Donald Trump’s company had a secret communications link with a Russian bank, her former campaign manager told a jury. Robby Mook, a witness in the trial of a former Clinton campaign lawyer charged with lying to the FBI, on Friday testified that he and others at the campaign “weren’t totally confident” in the veracity of the server data, but they sent it to reporters anyway a few months before the election.
Westside Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, BillStime said: That doesn’t add up - Hillary conceded - something your savor never did. Keep spinning Leo Naw, you don’t concede then spend the next six years bitching about being stolen from her. Makes you wonder if her words were sincere when she finally conceded?
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Westside said: Naw, you don’t concede then spend the next six years bitching about being stolen from her. Makes you wonder if her words were sincere when she finally conceded? Did she incite an insurrection? Imagine if she didn't have to compete with Comey and Putin...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-20/clinton-approved-trump-russia-leak-her-campaign-manager-says Hillary Clinton personally signed off on a plan in 2016 to quietly pitch to the media the now-discredited theory that computer servers at Donald Trump’s company had a secret communications link with a Russian bank, her former campaign manager told a jury. Robby Mook, a witness in the trial of a former Clinton campaign lawyer charged with lying to the FBI, on Friday testified that he and others at the campaign “weren’t totally confident” in the veracity of the server data, but they sent it to reporters anyway a few months before the election. IMO, we go down a rabbit hole of foolishness when allowing another poster to determine the narrative. Hillary Clinton's concession, real or imagined, is irrelevant. It does not invalidate 5 years of foolishness, allegations of an illegitimate (another word for 'stolen') elections and/or treason. It does not change the fact that, as Americans were arguing about whether or not hookers urinated on Trump in Russia, or whether or not government resources were used to surveil Trump during the election...Obama, Biden et al knew full well that the Clinton campaign and DNC were up to their eyeballs in election malfeasance designed to spread disinformation about Trump. They were briefed on that very early in the manufactured crisis. They chose not to share that with the American people because it was politically beneficial to keep it quiet. The truth was irrelevant. The 10 minute video you shared reveals democrat leaders trashing the legitimacy of our election process. It's the tip of the iceberg in that regard, but it's not a coincidence that Billsy completely ignores the video, preferring instead to redirect to theories about Trump's actions that took place several years after the dems attacked election integrity. 1
aristocrat Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: Did she incite an insurrection? Imagine if she didn't have to compete with Comey and Putin... Dems sure tried 1
716er Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 When your entire argument rests on "whatabboutthedems" you've lost The dems are morons, too.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, 716er said: When your entire argument rests on "whatabboutthedems" you've lost The dems are morons, too. @aristocrat This is as close to an acknowledgement that 'stop the steal' is simply a continuation of the dem 'illegitimate election' strategy, as you'll find from the left. It's sad, but this is the state of American politics today. 1
716er Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: @aristocrat This is as close to an acknowledgement that 'stop the steal' is simply a continuation of the dem 'illegitimate election' strategy, as you'll find from the left. It's sad, but this is the state of American politics today. Trump also challenged the results of the 2016 election prior to the vote even being cast. I'm sure there's a 10-minute Youtube video on that to troll this forum with as well. Following his win in 2016, he then formed the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity. This commission was started by Trump because he wanted to prove he won the popular vote in 2016 because of millions of illegals casting ballots. A year and a half later after finding nothing the commission was disbanded. The fact is, you can whatabbout all you want about this subject, but the person currently in the crosshairs of the FBI and DOJ appears to be guilty of what he is accused of. Saying oh look what Hillary did (she conceded quickly) only makes Trump look worse.
Tiberius Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: How? You know, we have been over that
Doc Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You know, we have been over that Yeah and not once did I ever hear how they helped him win. Just a lot of talk about meeting with them and nothing more. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, 716er said: Trump also challenged the results of the 2016 election prior to the vote even being cast. I'm sure there's a 10-minute Youtube video on that to troll this forum with as well. Following his win in 2016, he then formed the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity. This commission was started by Trump because he wanted to prove he won the popular vote in 2016 because of millions of illegals casting ballots. A year and a half later after finding nothing the commission was disbanded. The fact is, you can whatabbout all you want about this subject, but the person currently in the crosshairs of the FBI and DOJ appears to be guilty of what he is accused of. Saying oh look what Hillary did (she conceded quickly) only makes Trump look worse. I didn’t say “Oh look what Hillary did.”. I said it was irrelevant. She was knuckles deep in election disinformation throughout the election process and through the Trump presidency. In fact, after mourning in seclusion for a few months, she started into the same cycle all over again. She’s doing it now. Dems in leadership positions stated emphatically that the election that put Trump in office was illegitimate. Some raised concern over the safety, security and integrity of our election process. If you prefer to think “Trump started it”, fine, have at it. It doesn’t change what was said, what happened, and how the Dems acted during the Trump presidency. You were correct, and I applaud your candor.
Tiberius Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 26 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah and not once did I ever hear how they helped him win. Just a lot of talk about meeting with them and nothing more. No, you learned and forgot. Russia hacked the Democratic party's leadership computers. I know you either don't care or are glad, but that happened right after Trump gave them a big shout out. You also don't really care that he sided with murderous terrorist Putin over our intelligence agencies, who said Russia interfered to help Trump Sickening that he is tied to such monsters. Heck, Trump and many Republicans like Trump more than most Russians do.
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