Leader and Members of the Proud Boys Indicted for Seditious Conspiracy

[T master]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Do you understand comparisons? The son of a current president compared to the guy who lost the last election and is still a major political figure really are not equal. 

 

You will never look at anything with either president equally your bias is over the top so you can't look at them and give a honest comparison .

 

You didn't care to trash the last sitting president his family or anything else that was any where around him & even believed the proven lies about him for 4 years so why is this any different now with this wing nut in office than it was before ?

 

The only thing that has stayed the same is your bias & hatred for the former POTUS & your misguided love & devotion for this so called president now because you think this guy is doing a good job when reality, American sentiment & poll numbers proves something totally different !

 

If you would look at each president current & passed equally or the exact same as you did during the last presidents time in office there would be no complaint at all but your bias/hatred is more than evident in every post or reply .

[Tiberius]

 

[Jauronimo]

On 6/6/2022 at 9:46 PM, Irv said:

Executive Branch sure isn’t.  Thanks Demented Joke Biden.   What a mess.  

When was the executive branch ever in charge of gas and grocery prices?  

[ChiGoose]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

When was the executive branch ever in charge of gas and grocery prices?  

 

Everyone seems to think there are dials on the resolute desk for things like gas prices. 

 

Like, all Jimmy Carter had to do to save his presidency in the 1970's was take the lever marked "economy" and move it from "bad" to "good."

 

The line of argument might be more convincing if the prices in the US were disproportionately high compared to other countries, but they are not.

 

It is also telling that no matter the actual thread topic, it ends up getting derailed into either inflation, the summer of 2020, or Hunter Biden.

[Irv]

14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

When was the executive branch ever in charge of gas and grocery prices?  

 

Joke Biden's ridiculous socialist experiments have directly ruined the economy.  Blame COVID.  Sorry.  That's over.  Blame Putin?  Sorry.  Putin was scared shitless of Trump.  You must be living under a rock or smoking one with Hunter the Oil Magnate.  What a mess.   

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Irv said:

 

Joke Biden's ridiculous socialist experiments have directly ruined the economy.  Blame COVID.  Sorry.  That's over.  Blame Putin?  Sorry.  Putin was scared shitless of Trump.  You must be living under a rock or smoking one with Hunter the Oil Magnate.  What a mess.   

I'm glad you find my question funny.  Now imagine the joy I get from watching semi-literates discuss global energy markets as "Joe Biden y u do dis?!?!"

[Irv]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm glad you find my question funny.  Now imagine the joy I get from watching semi-literates discuss global energy markets as "Joe Biden y u do dis?!?!"

 

So if I interpret your question correctly - the Executive Branch has no impact on the economy.  Are you serious?  I knew you were ignorant but not that ignorant.  What a mess.   

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Irv said:

 

So if I interpret your question correctly - the Executive Branch has no impact on the economy.  Are you serious?  I knew you were ignorant but not that ignorant.  What a mess.   

That is how a semi-literate would interpret that post.  Another triumph.  

[ChiGoose]

29 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

Joke Biden's ridiculous socialist experiments have directly ruined the economy.  Blame COVID.  Sorry.  That's over.  Blame Putin?  Sorry.  Putin was scared shitless of Trump.  You must be living under a rock or smoking one with Hunter the Oil Magnate.  What a mess.   

 

Is your argument that the United States is experiencing worse inflation and a worse economy that other rich countries? If the problems were caused by Joe Biden, then we would expect to see the US doing worse than our peers, right?

 

Also, the idea that Putin was scared shitless of Trump is laughable. Maybe shirtless though.

 

And with the Hunter reference, we have now achieved the PPP trifecta on ignoring the thread topic with whataboutism distractions.

Edited June 9, 2022 by ChiGoose
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[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

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Sometimes I forget there are ladies in the house!  

[muppy]

55 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Uh…I was…uh….hacked?  A victim of pfishing?? 
 

Sometimes I forget there are ladies in the house!  

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lmaooo

[Irv]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

That is how a semi-literate would interpret that post.  Another triumph.  

 

I originally said ignorant.  I meant dumb.  

[Irv]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Is your argument that the United States is experiencing worse inflation and a worse economy that other rich countries? If the problems were caused by Joe Biden, then we would expect to see the US doing worse than our peers, right?

 

Also, the idea that Putin was scared shitless of Trump is laughable. Maybe shirtless though.

 

And with the Hunter reference, we have now achieved the PPP trifecta on ignoring the thread topic with whataboutism distractions.

 

Did Putin invade Ukraine when Trump was in Office?  No it was Demented Joke Biden.  Remind me.  When did Putin invade Crimea ?  Oh yeah.  That was when weak Barry was in office.  See a pattern here?  Weaklings.  

 

What a mess.  

[T master]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

That is how a semi-literate would interpret that post.  Another triumph.  

 

No matter how you interpret it just a little over 2 years ago gas was over half what it is now inflation was nothing like it is now the US had quite a bit more of energy independence than now and the economy was in very good shape .

 

So literate or illiterate where is the triumph in all Americans buying less & paying out more money every single day just to make ends meet & it all started with the 30 some plus executive orders in the very first day of this administration & went down hill from there .

 

But i'll bet you take up for it & say that it's better now than over 2 years ago .

[ChiGoose]

17 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

Did Putin invade Ukraine when Trump was in Office?  No it was Demented Joke Biden.  Remind me.  When did Putin invade Crimea ?  Oh yeah.  That was when weak Barry was in office.  See a pattern here?  Weaklings.  

 

What a mess.  

 

Holy hell. THAT is your logic here?!

 

By this logic, Trump is responsible for the Afghan-Pakistan skirmish in 2017, the Armenian-Azerbajani war in 2018, among others.

 

FDR must be responsible for WWII. If he was a stronger president, Hitler would never have invaded Poland in 1939.

 

If only Woodrow Wilson was a stronger president, WWI would never have happened.

 

I didn't realize that George W. Bush was responsible for the war in Darfur and the war in Somalia.

 

"Wars started during a US president's term are automatically their fault" is a galactic brain version of "the president of the US controls global gas prices"

 

Maybe open a book on international relations or something before embarrassing yourself. Or even read some of the intellectual discussion on the ongoing Ukraine - Russia conflict and its causes (and not some hackery found on the Federalist or Red State or some other partisan clickbait site).

[Jauronimo]

Just now, T master said:

 

No matter how you interpret it just a little over 2 years ago gas was over half what it is now inflation was nothing like it is now the US had quite a bit more of energy independence than now and the economy was in very good shape .

 

So literate or illiterate where is the triumph in all Americans buying less & paying out more money every single day just to make ends meet & it all started with the 30 some plus executive orders in the very first day of this administration & went down hill from there .

 

But i'll bet you take up for it & say that it's better now than over 2 years ago .

Yes, inflation is real.  Your understanding of inflation and high energy prices is juvenile if it begins and ends with the Biden admin.  Or the Trump admin.  

 

[T master]

13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Yes, inflation is real.  Your understanding of inflation and high energy prices is juvenile if it begins and ends with the Biden admin.  Or the Trump admin.  

 

 

Of course it is coming from you that's no surprise alls i know is this administration stopped a lot of domestic drilling of oil, natural gas and other things that were helping keep the US more energy independent not to mention what the Keystone if finished would have done not only to help the US but help one of our closest allies .

 

But once again this administration & it's great foreign policy screwed not only something that could have helped us but not pissed off the Canadians . It was bragged at one point during the last presidents stint how the US was the worlds largest producer of natural gas & was selling our oil to other countries also.

 

So seeing as you are so much more adult in your thinking then i am you keep showing your book smart common sense in thinking that a president can't have some influence on oil prices but in my common sense way of thinking the more you have the less the price but of course it's over doubled because of covid & Putin which we all know because that is what the president says he had absolutely nothing to do with it ...

Edited June 9, 2022 by T master

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Holy hell. THAT is your logic here?!

 

By this logic, Trump is responsible for the Afghan-Pakistan skirmish in 2017, the Armenian-Azerbajani war in 2018, among others.

 

FDR must be responsible for WWII. If he was a stronger president, Hitler would never have invaded Poland in 1939.

 

If only Woodrow Wilson was a stronger president, WWI would never have happened.

 

I didn't realize that George W. Bush was responsible for the war in Darfur and the war in Somalia.

 

"Wars started during a US president's term are automatically their fault" is a galactic brain version of "the president of the US controls global gas prices"

 

Maybe open a book on international relations or something before embarrassing yourself. Or even read some of the intellectual discussion on the ongoing Ukraine - Russia conflict and its causes (and not some hackery found on the Federalist or Red State or some other partisan clickbait site).

For years down here the universal economic theory is stock market goes up, president good. 

 

Except for when it hit all time highs during the Obama admin.  Then critical thinking was injected and there was real discussion about how the stock market is not a good proxy for the overall economy, the effects of quantitative easing, giving GWB the credit for TARP, etc. 

 

Then Trump takes office and stock market go up, president good.  But then stock market go down.  Critical thinking resumes, Covid-19, the executive office has limited ability to change the business cycle, black swan event. We ignore the TCJA and the fact that the president raised the value of all corporate earnings, we ignore the stimulus package which pumped millions into equity markets

 

Biden wins the election and we're back to stock market goes down, president bad.  Critical thinkers produce this gem: the pandemic is over this is all Biden's fault.  We ignore war in Ukraine disrupting major grain and energy imports, Russia embargo, the world's largest manufacturer and major consumer market, China, is still in Covid Zero lockdown.  

 

Seems like a pattern.  The few "lefties" on this board do it too and I've criticized their posts.  The demographics are such that its 20:1 down here though.

[ChiGoose]

17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

For years down here the universal economic theory is stock market goes up, president good. 

 

Except for when it hit all time highs during the Obama admin.  Then critical thinking was injected and there was real discussion about how the stock market is not a good proxy for the overall economy, the effects of quantitative easing, giving GWB the credit for TARP, etc. 

 

Then Trump takes office and stock market go up, president good.  But then stock market go down.  Critical thinking resumes, Covid-19, the executive office has limited ability to change the business cycle, black swan event. We ignore the TCJA and the fact that the president raised the value of all corporate earnings, we ignore the stimulus package which pumped millions into equity markets

 

Biden wins the election and we're back to stock market goes down, president bad.  Critical thinkers produce this gem: the pandemic is over this is all Biden's fault.  We ignore war in Ukraine disrupting major grain and energy imports, Russia embargo, the world's largest manufacturer and major consumer market, China, is still in Covid Zero lockdown.  

 

Seems like a pattern.  The few "lefties" on this board do it too and I've criticized their posts.  The demographics are such that its 20:1 down here though.

 

It really feels like 90% of the arguments made on this board are in bad faith.

[Jauronimo]

30 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Of course it is coming from you that's no surprise alls i know is this administration stopped a lot of domestic drilling of oil, natural gas and other things that were helping keep the US more energy independent not to mention what the Keystone if finished would have done not only to help the US but help one of our closest allies .

 

But once again this administration & it's great foreign policy screwed not only something that could have helped us but not pissed off the Canadians . It was bragged at one point during the last presidents stint how the US was the worlds largest producer of natural gas & was selling our oil to other countries also.

 

So seeing as you are so much more adult in your thinking then i am you keep showing your book smart common sense in thinking that a president can't have some influence on oil prices but in my common sense way of thinking the more you have the less the price but of course it's over doubled because of covid & Putin which we all know because that is what the president says he had absolutely nothing to do with it ...

By common sense do you mean completely ignoring global supply and demand in energy markets, the main determinant of energy prices?  I never once claimed that the President has "no effect" on energy prices.  I have stated repeatedly that the President is not the explanatory factor you and many others claim it to be.  Talking energy prices without mention of OPEC, geopolitics, wars, super majors is like explaining space travel as a function of Tang and chimpanzees.  

 

A pipeline that never operated for a day is not the magic bullet you think it is.   The entire futures market did not rest on success of the XL Pipeline.  Joe Biden canceled some leases and that has been a major talking point.  Yet there was no meaningful decline in production in 2021 relative to 2020 despite a full year of pandemic.  Average monthly production in 2022 is higher than it was in 2021 and 2020 funnily enough.  The United States STILL leads the world in oil and gas production today by a lot and we still export tons of it to other countries despite all of Biden's disastrous energy policies.  So what's the argument now?  

You know the energy industry is not nationalized, right?  There are these things called corporations and they actually produce, refine, and market oil and gas.  The frac boom is over, the energy sector was/(is?) tremendously out of favor on Wall Street, and the mandate was clear: reign in costs, return money to shareholders.  Every super major is doing just that.  There has been an industry wide move away from new exploration and every exec is telling the same story: we will not increase production.  They are reaping windfall profits this year.  Can't wait to see what my wife's bonus check looks like this year $$$.

 

Biden hasn't done anything to alleviate prices at the pump but even he ok'd the XL Pipeline and gave approval for the select few Gulf leases canceled that might know a few cents off per gallon.  The ban on Russian exports moves the needle.  Thats a separate discussion but replacing 8% of our imports still doesn't explain a doubling in gasoline prices.