Your Top 3 Players from the "Drought Era" you'd add to the current roster

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, chongli said:

 

Washington did play for us in 2000, the first year of the drought. If people are including Moulds in their lists, who also played for us in the playoffs, Washington is fair game.

 

Dumbass coach Grego cut him and others and ruined our defense and started the whole drought off.

 

 

[chongli]

2 hours ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

Big Ted was in the playoffs. Is this about drought era or our favorite players? 

 

1 hour ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

You didn’t “forget Moulds” because Eric wasn’t a part of the drought. 

 

Interesting question. Moulds does feel a little unfair, but then we also have to exclude Kyle Williams, who played in the playoffs his final year. But since the OP's post stipulates, without further clarification (AFAIK...haven't read the whole thread):

 

"What 3 players from 2000-2017 era of no playoffs would you guys choose to replace a current roster member with?"

 

I would argue that any player who played during this time would be eligible.

[Saxum]

 

On 6/3/2022 at 4:21 PM, BigDingus said:

So I saw this question on Twitter & thought I'd ask it here just for fun.  What 3 players from 2000-2017 era of no playoffs would you guys choose to replace a current roster member with?  Also, which specific known starters would you replace with them?

 

Anyway, I really wanted to put Kyle Williams on the list, or an underrated guy like Terrance McGee who was a strong CB & ST guy (CB in particular has some nice candidates), but these are the 3 I'd love to take most. 

 

It does not say no players who saw playoffs before or after draught,   

In debating this would be a big hole, big enough to run Ted Washington through.

 

It also does not specify what is a starter.  Some are skipping 2nd part of question "Also, which specific known starters would you replace with them?"

When you have a team which plays 4-2-3-2 formation that includes NCB.   It may or may not include kickers depending on point of view [those who think special teams members can be found in cracker jack boxes will disagree).

 

 

Correctly worded as some are answering is "What 3 players from 2000-2017 era of no playoffs who only played for the Bills during that era would you guys choose to replace a current starting roster member with [yes starters have not been established yet and likely will not be until end of preseason]? "

 

 

[Nelius]

Wow, now this is an offseason thread. Awesome job, great thread

 

Hard to disagree with Takeo - yes, #1

Brian Moorman easy - #2

#3? the fun pick. A man can dream - prime Lee Evans running long with Josh for like 40 catches and an easy 1k per year. Just a compliment to Diggs and Davis, but what Sanders would have been if he was 25 and fast.

 

[eball]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I think the "long time apologist that credited the Bills for trading that ingrate Peters" is showing. 

 

Peters is the only sure-fire HOF'er the Bills drafted or developed during the drought...........and the 2021 Bills OL undermined what should have been a championship season last year.........arguably single-handedly with their 125 combined pressures and sacks.      I know some people think that 34 year old Rodger Saffold has somehow flipped them from bad to good but that's simply illogical.

 

Jason Peters

Mario Williams

Marcell Dareus

 

The HOF'er and the two guys who had the most dominant seasons of any Bills during the drought.

 

 

Yeah, yeah…you guys have convinced me.  I didn’t include Peters for the reason I stated, not because I hold some ridiculous grudge.  I do believe the OL will play at a much higher level this year for a number of reasons, but I understand the comments about moving Dawkins inside and making it even better.

 

[T master]

Mario Williams

Marshawn Lynch

Arron Schobel  

[JaCrispy]

“The Lion” Fred Jackson

 

Jason Peters

 

Aaron Schobel 

[BuffaloFan68]

Eric Moulds

Kyle Williams

Aaron Schobel 

[GunnerBill]

19 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Edmunds is not a SAM, he’s the MIKE.

 

And Milano plays both the SAM and the WILL depending on the look the defense is in. When he became a starter the Bills were still a 4-3 base with Zo as the SAM but now in the 4-2-5 Milano lines up on the strong side regularly (without the numbers infront of me I'd posit even more than he lines up on the weakside). The fact is Spikes couldn't play either of those spots in this D and he has pretty much accepted that himself in the tv stuff he has done in the UK. 

22 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I think the "long time apologist that credited the Bills for trading that ingrate Peters" is showing. 

 

Peters is the only sure-fire HOF'er the Bills drafted or developed during the drought...........and the 2021 Bills OL undermined what should have been a championship season last year.........arguably single-handedly with their 125 combined pressures and sacks.      I know some people think that 34 year old Rodger Saffold has somehow flipped them from bad to good but that's simply illogical.

 

Jason Peters

Mario Williams

Marcell Dareus

 

The HOF'er and the two guys who had the most dominant seasons of any Bills during the drought.

 

 

That is the list. @GoBills808 had it first and it should have been end of thread at that point to me. The other answers are wrong. 

[pigpen65]

Fred Jackson instantly pops out as an excellent Bills players who deserved better than the drought Bills. Not just that his talelent was wasted here, but also that the losers in charge never even have him the respect he deserved while he was here. That's the name that pops out for me right off the bat. The waste of Jackson's career here was so egregious. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

Yeah, yeah…you guys have convinced me.  I didn’t include Peters for the reason I stated, not because I hold some ridiculous grudge.  I do believe the OL will play at a much higher level this year for a number of reasons, but I understand the comments about moving Dawkins inside and making it even better.

 

 

 

Well the visceral hate for Peters on this board was at about 90% in the 5 years or so after his trade.........grudges are still illogically held by some even though they can now see that Bills management was just incompetent.   Ask @PromoTheRobot and others who were still trying to critique his play when he was 35 years old.     As I said at the time,   Peters was an established veteran but he would easily outlast any of those rookies they got in that trade.   That was an understatement.........I believe Matt Stafford is the only active position player in the entire NFL left from that draft going into 2022........and Peters is likely to return for his age 40 season.   Even last season, 12 years after the trade,  he would have been a significant upgrade over Spencer Brown.    And at 39 years of age his 2021 PFF grade at LT (77.5) was the same as Dion Dawkins.   Amazing player.......as Andy Reid once said "the Peyton Manning of offensive tackles" and no doubt the GOAT of the Bills drought era. 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Without reading any replies I'm going to go with...

 

Aaron Schobel: a highly underrated player. Sack master and also racked up a lot of tackles. Effective against the run too.

Jason Peters: As much as I love Dawkins, how are you going to turn down a HOF left tackle? Biggest mistake not paying this guy what he was worth.

Terrence McGee: GREAT return specialist and would be awesome paired up with Tre White as a #2.

 

I mostly went with positions of need. Honorable mentions would be Takeo Spikes, London Fletcher, Fred Jackson, and Prime Nate Clements.

 

IDK. This is kind of a weak list lol no offense

 

How did I forget Moulds???

Understand what you mean buddy. Just thinking witch player's would really help the team now to make it a complete team.. Love spikes among others moulds forget him as well. 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m somewhat surprised with the scoffing at the suggestion the offensive line could be a problem… people have short memories around here I guess… then again, there were fans consistently thinking some of those awful drought teams had “playoff caliber” potential. 😅

 

 

It never fails.........the further you get into the offseason the more people forget how the games actually unfold.    Their OL was simply terrible for most of 2021.   I know they added Kromer but at the same time they are talking about more outside zone running..........even though the secondary reason(behind using Allen like a battering ram) to the OL playing better toward the end was getting away from the outside zone blocking.

[gobills404]

Jason Peters

Eric Moulds

Mario Williams

 

[BBills_88]

Kyle Williams 

Jerry Hughes 

Eric Moulds

Edited June 5, 2022 by BBills_88

[Rico]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Well the visceral hate for Peters on this board was at about 90% in the 5 years or so after his trade.........grudges are still illogically held by some even though they can now see that Bills management was just incompetent.   Ask @PromoTheRobot and others who were still trying to critique his play when he was 35 years old.     As I said at the time,   Peters was an established veteran but he would easily outlast any of those rookies they got in that trade.   That was an understatement.........I believe Matt Stafford is the only active position player in the entire NFL left from that draft going into 2022........and Peters is likely to return for his age 40 season.   Even last season, 12 years after the trade,  he would have been a significant upgrade over Spencer Brown.    And at 39 years of age his 2021 PFF grade at LT (77.5) was the same as Dion Dawkins.   Amazing player.......as Andy Reid once said "the Peyton Manning of offensive tackles" and no doubt the GOAT of the Bills drought era. 

 

Yeah, but he looked cool.

Edited June 5, 2022 by Rico

[NeverOutNick]

Fred Jackson And Kyle Williams are no brainers that deserve to be on this team in their prime and would immediately improve the team.

 

3rd would be dealers choice on Corner Winfield, Gilmore or Clements

[Freddie's Dead]

Fred Jackson:  Triple threat at RB, would be a huge target for Josh, NFL MVP in 2011 before he broke his leg

Kyle Williams:  Best DT of the drought era (yeah, I seddit!), best FB of the drought era, pass-catching threat out the backfield

 

The third choice is difficult, many to choose from.  Imma go:

 

Antoine Winfield:  Lockdown corner, but even more importantly, very strong defender against the run.

 

Honorable mentions:  Eric Moulds, London Fletcher, Aaron Schobel.

 

Great post, OP!

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by Freddie's Dead

[transplantbillsfan]

Fred Jackson

Fred Jackson 

Fred Jackson 

 

His combination of ability to pass protect, run and catch the football would be so welcome in this offense. Lynch had a great NFL career and is likely on his way to the HOF, but I honestly think prime Fred Jackson was a better overall RB than prime Marshawn Lynch. Unfortunately, he had horrible luck... part injuries and part withheld opportunities among other things 

[Richard Noggin]

On 6/3/2022 at 10:05 PM, KzooMike said:

Looking at our scheme?

 

DT: Pat Williams: Who isn't super drought era, but I've seen some Moulds responses. Who isn't super drought era either. Pat in the 3-Tech would allow Ed to do what he does best. I haven't seen Pat mentioned yet, lots of Kyle who is also a great option in this spot but Pat is always going to require two people. 

 

I don't hate the Pat Williams responses (and I especially don't hate the Eric Moulds responses). But how exactly would "Pat in the 3-tech...allow Ed to do what he does best?" Ed Oliver's "best" is IN the 3-tech! He's been forced to line up at 0 or 1-tech fairly often in college and in the pros, unfortunately, based on necessity. But if you're trying to boost Ed Oliver's production, specifically, adding a NT makes more sense than adding another 3T. Right?