Big Turk Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 White is defiant shouting... "It's him or me, the world will never be the same!" Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said: OK, expecting quality corner play from a rookie usually comes from fans who don't realize there's a learning curve in the NFL. Tell me about getting everything out of depth dbs when they got lit up by KC with everything on the line. Love your optimism though. The learning curve for the NFL has changed dramatically in the last decade. And it all has to do with what is happening in college. Used to be you could plug and play your high draft pick OT for a decade. Not any more. OL play in college has devolved into nearly every play being run out of a two point stance. Centers are more NFL ready than OTs. In the past, QB and CB took time to develop. Now DT is one of the longest positions to develop. Teams pass so much in college and the route trees are nearly as complex. The pass defenses used by Power 5 teams is just as intricate in the pros. QBs and CBs are now stepping right on the field and if they have the talent they play reasonably well. Not discounting some learning curve, but if Elam has the skills he should be fine. Quote
HardyBoy Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 Did the study(ies) differentiate between players in the middle of big contracts and players on deals that are easier to get out of? Quote
HamptonBillsfan Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Big Turk said: Please...save it for the breeze...your takes are old and smell funky like cottage cheese. We see quality play from rookie DBs every year...stop acting like it's something that never happens. What rookies do you have in mind? Just curious about the funky cottage cheese reference when you come up with zero examples. Maybe your silly, unfounded assertions work with the poor souls that need anything positive about their favorite team. Not objective Bills fans. 4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: The learning curve for the NFL has changed dramatically in the last decade. And it all has to do with what is happening in college. Used to be you could plug and play your high draft pick OT for a decade. Not any more. OL play in college has devolved into nearly every play being run out of a two point stance. Centers are more NFL ready than OTs. In the past, QB and CB took time to develop. Now DT is one of the longest positions to develop. Teams pass so much in college and the route trees are nearly as complex. The pass defenses used by Power 5 teams is just as intricate in the pros. QBs and CBs are now stepping right on the field and if they have the talent they play reasonably well. Not discounting some learning curve, but if Elam has the skills he should be fine. Not saying Elam can't be dominant. ,, just not expecting it year one. If it happens the defense will not be so dependent on White being White immediately. Quote
Einstein Posted May 26, 2022 Author Posted May 26, 2022 19 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Part of it, frankly, is the repetitive negativity of your short posting history. Is it possible that you’re thinking of a different poster? I’ve only created 10 threads in this forum, and they’ve been about Game Weather, Josh Allen hitting a home run, NFL Schedule makers giving Bills an advantage, Power Ranking, PFF and the KC game. I wouldn’t have guessed that anyone thought of me as negative before you wrote such. Quote
billybrew1 Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 Tre has to come back, he has to! I have plans. I can envision our fully functional Death Star, I mean, secondary. That! is a Super Bowl worthy secondary. It sure is. I have, for awhile now, expected our secondary to mesh about week six…. im sticking with that date. Quote
Big Turk Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 37 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said: What rookies do you have in mind? Just curious about the funky cottage cheese reference when you come up with zero examples. Maybe your silly, unfounded assertions work with the poor souls that need anything positive about their favorite team. Not objective Bills fans. Not saying Elam can't be dominant. ,, just not expecting it year one. If it happens the defense will not be so dependent on White being White immediately. Denzel Ward, Jalen Ramsey, Patrick Peterson, Tre White, Patrick Surtain II, etc Literally multiple players that start the majority of the games as rookies every year. Elam will be very good as a rookie I believe. Partially due to his skilllset, partially due to the scheme, and partially due to our coaches being exceptional especially at getting secondary players to play at a very high level even if they are UDFA's called up from the practice squad. Quote
BarleyNY Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 Flame away at me all you want, but I don’t think we’ll ever see Tre in goal again. 1 Quote
The Red King Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 I'm going to assume he'll be his old self until he's not. Why think otherwise? If he does come back just as he left, you'll have wasted all that time and effort worrying. If he doesn't, there'll still be plenty of time to worry then. 1 Quote
HamptonBillsfan Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Denzel Ward, Jalen Ramsey, Patrick Peterson, Tre White, Patrick Surtain II, etc Literally multiple players that start the majority of the games as rookies every year. Elam will be very good as a rookie I believe. Partially due to his skilllset, partially due to the scheme, and partially due to our coaches being exceptional especially at getting secondary players to play at a very high level even if they are UDFA's called up from the practice squad. Thanks for naming the who's who of dbs in the NFL. Sadly they represent the tiny % of corners that overachieved in their rookie deal. Quote
uticaclub Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 13 hours ago, dje85 said: If only we had an elite qb and offense so we didn't have to rely only on our defense to win every game we play.. Oh wait.. Good enough to win the division, yes. I’m talking about being Championship Caliber 13 hours ago, dje85 said: If only we had an elite qb and offense so we didn't have to rely only on our defense to win every game we play.. Oh wait.. Good enough to win the division, yes. I’m talking about being Championship Caliber 13 hours ago, dje85 said: If only we had an elite qb and offense so we didn't have to rely only on our defense to win every game we play.. Oh wait.. Good enough to win the division, yes. I’m talking about being Championship Caliber Quote
billsfan89 Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 I wonder if they did "elite" level NFL players how outcomes would look? I can think of several elite players who had ACL tears and come back to form. Quote
Buffalosouth Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 Tommy John surgery used to be the end of pitchers too. Hopefully Tre comes back true to form. He has become a all time Bill IMO in his short time here. Wishing for his health, hoping for the best, and trusting the process on this one. Quote
TBBills Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 We shouldn't even let him back, just cut him. He will never be the same. 🙄 Quote
Thurman#1 Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 On 5/25/2022 at 8:04 AM, Einstein said: I understand not reading a post that you're not interested in. I do not understand not reading the post, but then still commenting on it. The studies are from 2022, 2019 and 2017. All recent. Nothing old. All relevant today. The 2022 study was analyzing data from 2013 to 2018. The 2019 study looked at data from 2013 to 2017. The 2017 study looked at incidences from 2006 to 2012. Relevant today? Yeah, but the data is still old. And things appear to have gotten a lot better in the past few years. Quote
oldmanfan Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 We'll have to see how he does. But long term I'm more concerned with the meniscus issue than the ACL. Modern surgical techniques are very effective at repairing the ACL. But meniscus damage affects the cartilage within the joint, which acts as a shock absorber. There aren't good ways to repair meniscus damage, and ultimately you wind up with bone on bone issues. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: We'll have to see how he does. But long term I'm more concerned with the meniscus issue than the ACL. Modern surgical techniques are very effective at repairing the ACL. But meniscus damage affects the cartilage within the joint, which acts as a shock absorber. There aren't good ways to repair meniscus damage, and ultimately you wind up with bone on bone issues. I’ve read non contact injuries are easier to return from, maybe this is part of the reason. Less force. Tears are cleaner. Less damage to the knee. Edited May 26, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 Revis was in multiple probowls following his acl. How well done the surgery is and hard they rehab to get the leg muscles back to form matter quite a lot. Tre has always been a good not great athlete that works hard and plays smart. im optimistic that he outperforms the numbers as he always has. 1 Quote
Chaos Posted May 26, 2022 Posted May 26, 2022 What is a high enough level of play? If tre comes back at the level of average NFL corner is that good enough for the Bills to win the super bowl? I think it is Quote
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