716er Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, mead107 said: Do Violent video games contribute to this problem? Violent video games are played by teens all over the word. School shootings regularly happen in America. 1 1 Quote
Saxum Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 It is partly due to people being affected by what is closest to themselves. Our school system is a forwarding thinking one (except personal responsibility but that is a different subject) and the shooting in Texas was brought up in two different emails how the shooting may affect students. Then as an afterthought it mentioned other mass shootings including the one in Buffalo in one. There was no such email right after Buffalo or other shootings and would not have gone out if there was not a student shooting. Their focus is on schools and students not general issue of mass killings and cause. Quote
stuvian Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 I guess nothing will change until a 1%er's kids gets killed. Only then will it be an emergency. As a Canadian who has travelled the northeast US extensively, I absolutely love travelling stateside but these repeated slaughters will keep me and my family away. As Bills fans, we're naive to assume something couldn't happen at a tailgate either. Quote
LeviF Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Africa is on the phone for you. 1 Quote
WhoTom Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: Africa is on the phone for you. You could say the same about Ukraine, but I would argue that the militias doing the killing aren't "well regulated" - they're controlled by evil dictators. Quote
PastaJoe Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 2 hours ago, mead107 said: Do Violent video games contribute to this problem? 7 1 1 1 Quote
SoTier Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 15 hours ago, Logic said: This doesn't even happen regularly in supposedly "backward" countries that are beset by conditions we "civilized" Americans consider hallmarks of countries on the brink of anarchy like extreme poverty, political unrest, criminal cartels, local warlords, civil war, etc. It's time for Americans to have an "attitude adjustment" towards organizations and politicians who promote and support the idea that every nut has an absolute right to own as big and as deadly a firearms arsenal as they can afford. 3 Quote
LeviF Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, PastaJoe said: Famously white 18 year old Salvador Ramos. 1 Quote
teef Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 i mentioned this is the shout box yesterday...my kid's school was forced into a shut down as well earlier in the morning. they had someone very suspect on their campus, so they locked all of the kids in classroom bathroom for 20 minutes while the teacher blocked the door. an hour or two later, the shooting began, so parents panicked. it's a small, open air catholic school with no real security. now it's a fear. the local sheriffs were there all afternoon, and all this morning for drop off. all of the kids will be escorted to their rooms, and the sheriffs will remain for the day. i'm someone who moves on quickly from news like this, but i lost sleep last night. i have no idea if the guy was just a random, or truly scoping out the place. to have to even consider this is disgusting. what's the solution. there isn't an easy one. mental health is the biggest cause and we all know there's no easy answer to that problem. should schools be completely enclosed where you can't even get on the lot without clearance. i have no idea. 1 1 Quote
K-9 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Your entire family is more likely to get struck by lightning. The one common thread with most of these public mass shootings is young males are the shooters. All debate on solutions really should be centered around figuring out why that is. Only one common thread? There are other some others. Quote
billsfan1959 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, teef said: i mentioned this is the shout box yesterday...my kid's school was forced into a shut down as well earlier in the morning. they had someone very suspect on their campus, so they locked all of the kids in classroom bathroom for 20 minutes while the teacher blocked the door. an hour or two later, the shooting began, so parents panicked. it's a small, open air catholic school with no real security. now it's a fear. the local sheriffs were there all afternoon, and all this morning for drop off. all of the kids will be escorted to their rooms, and the sheriffs will remain for the day. i'm someone who moves on quickly from news like this, but i lost sleep last night. i have no idea if the guy was just a random, or truly scoping out the place. to have to even consider this is disgusting. what's the solution. there isn't an easy one. mental health is the biggest cause and we all know there's no easy answer to that problem. should schools be completely enclosed where you can't even get on the lot without clearance. i have no idea. You are right, there is no easy solution. It is a problem involving a lot of different variables requiring a multifaceted, nationally consistent approach. Unfortunately, any reasonable national dialogue toward that end is completely drowned out by people shouting each other down from platforms of blame and extreme stances. 1 1 Quote
aristocrat Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, teef said: i mentioned this is the shout box yesterday...my kid's school was forced into a shut down as well earlier in the morning. they had someone very suspect on their campus, so they locked all of the kids in classroom bathroom for 20 minutes while the teacher blocked the door. an hour or two later, the shooting began, so parents panicked. it's a small, open air catholic school with no real security. now it's a fear. the local sheriffs were there all afternoon, and all this morning for drop off. all of the kids will be escorted to their rooms, and the sheriffs will remain for the day. i'm someone who moves on quickly from news like this, but i lost sleep last night. i have no idea if the guy was just a random, or truly scoping out the place. to have to even consider this is disgusting. what's the solution. there isn't an easy one. mental health is the biggest cause and we all know there's no easy answer to that problem. should schools be completely enclosed where you can't even get on the lot without clearance. i have no idea. The easiest solution to at least start for me is to ask how he even got in? I saw a video that showed him just walk into the front door of the school. We have a massive fed budget in this country and these psychos get hyper focused on being school shooters so lets stop them from getting in. Spend all summer ensuring every school in the country has doors that are monitored by someone and locked at all times. Every school has 2-3 cops. If the shooters know it's a hard target it's unlikely they even try. 1 Quote
mjt328 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 10 hours ago, HappyDays said: Everyone focuses so heavily on one specific version of gun control and the endless debate gets us nowhere. We have to enact a wide range of basic security policies that 99% of people would readily agree with. But instead we choose the political gridlock and rehash the conversation every time another shooting happens. Agreed. If we are going to get anywhere on this issue, the first thing that needs to stop is the political finger-pointing. It took about 5 minutes (after the news broke yesterday from Uvalde TX) for the anti-gun establishment to start calling the other side "murderers" and "child killers." Which immediately put the 2nd Amendment supporters on the defensive. Same thing happened a week earlier in Buffalo. Do gun-control advocates honestly believe that people on the other side don't care about little children being slaughtered by a maniac? Do they honestly believe that 2nd Amendment supporters care more about their NRA membership and hunting than the safety of their own families? That is utterly ridiculous. Here is the truth. The people who are against stricter gun-control DO NOT BELIEVE more laws will make the country safer. They believe the maniacs and criminals will still be able to obtain weapons illegally, while the innocent will have LESS means to protect themselves. When a racist bigot shoots up a grocery store... they aren't thinking, "We should get rid of guns." They are thinking, "I need to make sure I have a gun on me at all times." We can disagree over which side is right. But claiming the other side is somehow responsible for these horrifying incidents is only going to put people on the defensive, and then shut-down any productive solutions. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, mjt328 said: The people who are against stricter gun-control DO NOT BELIEVE more laws will make the country safer. They believe the maniacs and criminals will still be able to obtain weapons illegally, while the innocent will have LESS means to protect themselves. I don't really subscribe to this belief, but I will say banning a specific type of rifle at the very best will only minimize the body count when these shootings happen. A handgun can still do a lot of damage. That isn't enough for me. I want policies that will prevent the shootings from happening in the first place. It's the same with people who say arm the teachers or have security officers in every school. That will only minimize the body count. The Uvalde shooter was shot at by police and was killed within one minute of entering the school. That was enough time to kill 20 people. If he had a handgun instead of a rifle there still would have been many children killed. There has to be a better way. Quote
Rico Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 How did this guy get into the school? Around here, you have to press a buzzer with a camera pointed on you, and someone asks what you want. If you’re there to pickup your kid, the teacher walks him out to you. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 4 hours ago, mead107 said: Do Violent video games contribute to this problem? I think it's a definite: "No." 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't really subscribe to this belief, but I will say banning a specific type of rifle at the very best will only minimize the body count when these shootings happen. A handgun can still do a lot of damage. That isn't enough for me. I want policies that will prevent the shootings from happening in the first place. It's the same with people who say arm the teachers or have security officers in every school. That will only minimize the body count. The Uvalde shooter was shot at by police and was killed within one minute of entering the school. That was enough time to kill 20 people. If he had a handgun instead of a rifle there still would have been many children killed. There has to be a better way. What gets me... Is how did they neutralize the guy in Texas and not the guy on the EastSide of Buffalo? Both were wearing armor. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 2 hours ago, LeviF said: Africa is on the phone for you. Yeah... But the "triangle trade" armed Africa centuries ago... Quote
LeviF Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What gets me... Is how did they neutralize the guy in Texas and not the guy on the EastSide of Buffalo? Both were wearing armor. I'm not sure it's confirmed he was wearing body armor but in those cases they get neutralized by their brains being painted on the wall. 1 Quote
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