Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Yep, before Watson burst into flames himself the Texans were already a tire fire of epic proportions.

 

 

Which is why he used this whole  "they never consulted me on GM" story as a way to get out of Texas.  

 

He wanted out and he latched onto this weak excuse to leverage a forced trade.

[H2o]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If Watson is out there playing while the public perception is still that he’s a lying serial sexual predator, he knows he could lose advertisers, etc. and the female fan base he’s tried so hard to build.

 

Oh, I fully believe it's more than just a "public perception" at this point my friend. This guy is a complete scumbag who still acts like he did no wrong. He admits one of the defendants was crying at the end of the session just as she said in her statement, while on the stand and under oath, but then claims he didn't know why she was crying. Give me a break. The Grand Jury may have not seen enough so called "evidence" to run with the criminal charges, but this deranged sexual predator will still have his day in court. I hope he never plays another down and they take him for all he's worth.  

[cle23]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

What does "somewhere in between" even mean in this particular set of circumstances? I mean, even if he is only HALF guilty (in frequency or severity) of what he's been accused of...he's a serial offender who should be expelled from the NFL. As a public we don't yet have access to enough admissible evidence to make any kind of truly informed determination beyond initial suspicions or dismissals. Of course you're allowed to have leanings. How could you not?

 

I guess I mean that I think it's obvious he made sexual advances or at least hinted at sexual involvement of some kind with some of these women.  It all comes down to whether he threatened/forced/coerced any of them.  If he did, that's obviously a major issue.  But asking or hinting is creepy, but not technically illegal or in and of itself harassment.  

 

So he's not the squeaky clean guy he was thought to be, but it's undetermined if what he did was harassment/sexual assault, or makes him civilly liable.

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, cle23 said:

 

I guess I mean that I think it's obvious he made sexual advances or at least hinted at sexual involvement of some kind with some of these women.  It all comes down to whether he threatened/forced/coerced any of them.  If he did, that's obviously a major issue.  But asking or hinting is creepy, but not technically illegal or in and of itself harassment.  

 

So he's not the squeaky clean guy he was thought to be, but it's undetermined if what he did was harassment/sexual assault, or makes him civilly liable.

I guess a question would be if exposing yourself to someone is considered harassment or sexual assault.

 

I'm guessing it varies state to state. 

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I guess a question would be if exposing yourself to someone is considered harassment or sexual assault.

 

I'm guessing it varies state to state. 

He was accused of forced oral sex in one of the cases. It is considered sexual assault in the state of Texas.

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/18/deshaun-watson-lawsuit-massage-therapists-houston-texans-nfl

original 22 are detailed here 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31113664/summary-lawsuits-houston-texans-quarterback-deshaun-watson?platform=amp

Edited June 1, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Kwai San]

OK so maybe just maybe the Browns end up looking good on this.....HEAR ME OUT!  LOL.

 

The dysfunctional Browns guaranteed the contract so that all 22 victims will get max payouts.....

 

OK....well maybe DON'T hear me out!  What an effing mess.....can't even begin to imagine being a Browns fan right now.....

[Warcodered]

 

[Warcodered]

 

[muppy]

it is with disgust I read the thread title. Knowing how much smoke surrounds DeShaun Watson If there is No fire that would be shocking.  If found guilty I hope the juries award damages in each and every case for every victim

 

This topic is to me so unsavory I don't really know what more to say. Elite athletic talent ...bankrupt soul.  SAD  

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

I guess I mean that I think it's obvious he made sexual advances or at least hinted at sexual involvement of some kind with some of these women.  It all comes down to whether he threatened/forced/coerced any of them.  If he did, that's obviously a major issue.  But asking or hinting is creepy, but not technically illegal or in and of itself harassment.  

 

So he's not the squeaky clean guy he was thought to be, but it's undetermined if what he did was harassment/sexual assault, or makes him civilly liable.

Technically it is illegal, those female masseuses are not their for your sexual pleasure they’re not high end escorts. For you to expose yourself and try to touch them with your genitals or ask for sexual favors is sexual harassment

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I guess a question would be if exposing yourself to someone is considered harassment or sexual assault.

 

I'm guessing it varies state to state. 

  

  Ok let's do the rocket mortgage guessing test.  Go outside find a police officer nearby some women and walk up expose yourself.  Then on your way to jail you can tell yourself I guess it a criminal assault in the eyes of the law.  I doubt it's legal in any state or civilized country on earth.  It's just basic human decency.  The only place it would be consider acceptable is at nudist colonies and even there I'm sure there's some limits to what is acceptable I mean I doubt they allow public masterbation at a nudist colony unless it was one that was geared toward like minded adults looking for that sort of thing.   

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2022 by AuntieEm

[mannc]

43 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

  

  Ok let's do the rocket mortgage guessing test.  Go outside find a police officer nearby some women and walk up expose yourself.  Then on your way to jail you can tell yourself I guess it a criminal assault in the eyes of the law.  I doubt it's legal in any state or civilized country on earth.  It's just basic human decency.  The only place it would be consider acceptable is at nudist colonies and even there I'm sure there's some limits to what is acceptable I mean I doubt they allow public masterbation at a nudist colony unless it was one that was geared toward like minded adults looking for that sort of thing.   

 

 

 

Here in Portland, if you are “houseless”, you can do anything short of first degree murder without any consequences…exposing yourself in public would not even garner a second look from most passersby…

Edited June 1, 2022 by mannc

[Buffalo03]

So now a 23rd woman decides to file suit this far into the process and people actually believe ALL these women? People might say "she could have been afraid to come out about it" but 22 women already said something, so what would she have been afraid of? This late in the game says it's about money to me 

[The Wiz]

36 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

  

  Ok let's do the rocket mortgage guessing test.  Go outside find a police officer nearby some women and walk up expose yourself.  Then on your way to jail you can tell yourself I guess it a criminal assault in the eyes of the law.  I doubt it's legal in any state or civilized country on earth.  It's just basic human decency.  The only place it would be consider acceptable is at nudist colonies and even there I'm sure there's some limits to what is acceptable I mean I doubt they allow public masterbation at a nudist colony unless it was one that was geared toward like minded adults looking for that sort of thing.   

 

 

 

Was more referring to the possibility of him being charged with indecent exposure instead of sexual harassment/assault but thanks for your feedback. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by The Wiz

[AuntieEm]

Just now, mannc said:

Here in Portland, if you are “houseless”, you can do anything short of first degree murder without any consequences…exposing yourself in public would even garner a second look from most passersby…

 

Well that seems more a case of an overwhelming problem with some mental disorders likely stemming from whatever circumstances caused the homeless individuals.  Again average decent people won't be running around exposing themselves.  I bet some of those homeless have been ostracized for whatever reason to point they just say heck with societal mores as society ignores their lack of basic lodging and likely proper nutrition which can lead to mental chemical imbalances.  

 

   Problem is here Watson is claiming he's totally innocent and I'm guessing there are records that prove those text messages he sent to various therapists asking if they are OK after their session with him.  An innocent person wouldn't send those messages unless the reason they might not be OK was because something he said or did.   If I witnessed an accident to say a person I recognize from a local shop but have no other personal relationship  with other than buying something from their shop I'm not gonna text them asking if they are OK unless I was in someway responsible for that incident because I hold some responsibility to act in a respectful manner to any fellow person.  

 

   I guess it could be possible he's had enough damage from concussions over his playing from whatever age he started, that the frontal lobe has diminished ability in his impulse control.  That would take him out of the realm that he's just a total scumbag to where he just is in dire need of professional mental care because it's lack of self control either due to brain damage to the subfrontal lobe.  If I were the NFL I'd insist he have a psych evaluation and I'd want several leafing experts in field to do so.   So by that there is a possibility he isn't totally responsible for the acts but by denying the behavior even to acknowledging he's aware of the perception of his actions by requesting NDA and even his insistence of no other person to witness the session or not wearing the standard modesty barriers.  That suggests he knows he's acting out of line even if he can't stop himself from continuing.  Even if that's the underlying cause it doesn't absolve him of the guilt of the actions.  I'd hope the independent investigator calls for him to get those evaluations.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

So now a 23rd woman decides to file suit this far into the process and people actually believe ALL these women? People might say "she could have been afraid to come out about it" but 22 women already said something, so what would she have been afraid of? This late in the game says it's about money to me 

She said last year that she didn’t want her name out there publically, which was required for the civil cases by the defense, but decided to move forward. 

[HappyDays]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

This late in the game says it's about money to me 

 

The 23rd plaintiff is seeking the minimum compensation. She just wants Watson to be held accountable. What's your excuse now?

 

Also it isn't about believing all 23 women. If even 1 is telling the truth he should be punished. Did you watch Ashley Solis's interview?

[AuntieEm]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Was more referring to the possibility of him being charged with indecent exposure instead of sexual harassment/assault but thanks for your feedback. 

 

   Well the problem is there are no witnesses to the sessions.  Seems like Watson insists no others be present.  He can hardly claim modesty if he's exposing himself to over 50 different massuesses.  

 

   If a child with no knowledge of guns somehow caused a gun to fire killing the family dog doesn't mean the child is an animal abusers but they still are guilty of killing the dog, though it was accidental.  I know if the child was traumatized by that accident I'd insist on some counseling by a psychologist because that type if trauma can be just as dangerous as possible brain damage causing the lack of control.

 

 

 

[HappyDays]

23 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

And people need to realize the court of public opinion is not how our justice system works.

 

The NFL's personal conduct policy is not the justice system. We're over a year into this process and still making the same tired arguments. Watch Ashley Solis's interview and judge for yourself.

[H2o]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

So now a 23rd woman decides to file suit this far into the process and people actually believe ALL these women? People might say "she could have been afraid to come out about it" but 22 women already said something, so what would she have been afraid of? This late in the game says it's about money to me 

She wasn't afraid of anything. She said that his smug attitude acting like he's done nothing wrong is what pushed her to come forward also. She also has some pretty damning testimony as well if they can somehow trace the $$$ she says was paid to the owner of the business to send women his way. She's also going for the minimum compensation. If it were, say, 3-5 women I could see it being a $$$ grab. But 23 and talk of a 24th? This guy is a sleazy sexual predator who thought his fame and $$$ would never allow him to be caught. I hope he never takes another snap in the NFL and justice is served for these women, financially or whatever. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by H2o