Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 6/30/2022 at 3:40 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

Players have always been free to demand fully guaranteed contracts.  Some owners (the ones who don't worry about putting money in escrow) will offer it (to keep a guy like, say, Herbert--who is worth more than Watson in any case), some won't (those who would rather not)--and they will make their traditional offer which the player can take or holdout, be franchised etc. 

 

Anyway, whatever the effect this contract may  have  on future contracts will have no impact on the  the NFL's ultimate decision of the length of the suspension of Watson.  It will have nothing to do with "punishing" the Browns or Haslam for the contract.

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Why didn't Aaron Rodgers or Josh Allen do it?  Why aren't any other franchise QB's on fully 100% guaranteed contracts?

 

Watson getting his with his baggage means it will turn the market.  Why would Burrow or Herbert accept "traditional contracts" if Watson didn't and got a fully guaranteed contract at the highest in NFL history?  Cincy or LA would risk losing their franchise QB's?

[YoloinOhio]

  On 6/30/2022 at 3:41 PM, Awwufelloff said:

Won't they appeal? I heard the NFL wants to give 6-8 games so he doesn't appeal. 

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That was refuted 

[mannc]

  On 6/30/2022 at 3:40 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

Players have always been free to demand fully guaranteed contracts.  Some owners (the ones who don't worry about putting money in escrow) will offer it (to keep a guy like, say, Herbert--who is worth more than Watson in any case), some won't (those who would rather not)--and they will make their traditional offer which the player can take or holdout, be franchised etc. 

 

Anyway, whatever the effect this contract may  have  on future contracts will have no impact on the  the NFL's ultimate decision of the length of the suspension of Watson.  It will have nothing to do with "punishing" the Browns or Haslam for the contract.

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And more importantly, any "punishment" meted out to Watson, the Browns or Haslam will have zero impact on future contracts.

[Warcodered]

  On 6/30/2022 at 3:40 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

Players have always been free to demand fully guaranteed contracts.  Some owners (the ones who don't worry about putting money in escrow) will offer it (to keep a guy like, say, Herbert--who is worth more than Watson in any case), some won't (those who would rather not)--and they will make their traditional offer which the player can take or holdout, be franchised etc. 

 

Anyway, whatever the effect this contract may  have  on future contracts will have no impact on the  the NFL's ultimate decision of the length of the suspension of Watson.  It will have nothing to do with "punishing" the Browns or Haslam for the contract.

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They're free to ask for whatever the hell they want, that doesn't change how players deals effect each other.

[CSBill]

I have no doubt the NFL wants the Browns to hurt because of their brashness, arrogance, and stupidity. But can they? And if so, how? That will be the issue. Dishing out the hurt in the form of Watson’s punishment would kill two birds with one stone. But again, “will they be able to do that?” That is the question. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 6/30/2022 at 3:48 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why didn't Aaron Rodgers or Josh Allen do it?  Why aren't any other franchise QB's on fully 100% guaranteed contracts?

 

Watson getting his with his baggage means it will turn the market.  Why would Burrow or Herbert accept "traditional contracts" if Watson didn't and got a fully guaranteed contract at the highest in NFL history?  Cincy or LA would risk losing their franchise QB's?

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They were free to.  You'd have to ask them.  They probably felt it would be a nonstarter in their negotiations and they weren't willing to hold out over that.  

 

  On 6/30/2022 at 4:27 PM, Warcodered said:

They're free to ask for whatever the hell they want, that doesn't change how players deals effect each other.

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Exactly.

 

  On 6/30/2022 at 4:34 PM, CSBill said:

I have no doubt the NFL wants the Browns to hurt because of their brashness, arrogance, and stupidity. But can they? And if so, how? That will be the issue. Dishing out the hurt in the form of Watson’s punishment would kill two birds with one stone. But again, “will they be able to do that?” That is the question. 

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If "the NFL" wanted to punish the Browns for their stupidity, they would have started to do so decades ago.  Plus, Haslam's poor decisions themselves perpetually "punish the Browns".

 

I think there is no chance the owners are telling Goddell to screw the Browns over a dumb contract.  Makes no sense.

[aristocrat]

  On 6/30/2022 at 3:41 PM, Awwufelloff said:

Won't they appeal? I heard the NFL wants to give 6-8 games so he doesn't appeal. 

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The NFL needs to win the pr war on this one and give him two years even if games get taken off on appeal. They can at least say they tried.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Watson really wants last year to count in his suspension.

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 6/30/2022 at 4:46 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

They were free to.  You'd have to ask them.  They probably felt it would be a nonstarter in their negotiations and they weren't willing to hold out over that.  

 

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You think that maybe they didn't because no one else in this history of the NFL got a $200+ million guaranteed contract?  But now since there is one, that changes?

Do you think that the Bengals and Chargers would prefer paying Burrow/Herbert $160 million guaranteed or they actually want to go above $230 million?  

[RoyBatty is alive]

  On 6/30/2022 at 4:58 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watson really wants last year to count in his suspension.

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Of course he does, why wouldn't he.

 

He was paid fo r his year of doing nothing and it was 100% his decision not to play.  No way they should count that as part of his suspension, if they do, they lose a lot of credibility.

[YoloinOhio]

  On 6/30/2022 at 5:11 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

Of course he does, why wouldn't he.

 

He was paid fo r his year of doing nothing and it was 100% his decision not to play.  No way they should count that as part of his suspension, if they do, they lose a lot of credibility.

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The defense for Watson is grasping at straws because of what his lawyer and Watson have already admitted so they’ve turned to “whataboutisms” instead … what about the owners?? (who aren’t accused of the same thing and aren’t impacted by the same type of discipline anyway so it’s comparing apples and avocados) …what about last year?? (even though he refused to play because he wanted traded). People really think we are all stupid by throwing this stuff out there as some kind of defense. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 6/30/2022 at 4:58 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watson really wants last year to count in his suspension.

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lol, why would they count a year where he refused to play?

 

come on

  On 6/30/2022 at 5:11 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

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You think that maybe they didn't because no one else in this history of the NFL got a $200+ million guaranteed contract?  But now since there is one, that changes?

Do you think that the Bengals and Chargers would prefer paying Burrow/Herbert $160 million guaranteed or they actually want to go above $230 million?  

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Again, there was nothing preventing them from being the first (someone was going to be, no?).

 

Doesn't mean it will open the floodgates for more---if it does, then clearly the owners don't mind.  They could all easily agree not to in the future, amongst themselves.

[The Wiz]

  On 6/30/2022 at 5:44 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

lol, why would they count a year where he refused to play?

 

come on

 

Again, there was nothing preventing them from being the first (someone was going to be, no?).

 

Doesn't mean it will open the floodgates for more---if it does, then clearly the owners don't mind.  They could all easily agree not to in the future, amongst themselves.

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And they already could have in the past which would make what Haslam did seem as a "me before we" act to the rest of the owners which in sure won't sit well. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 6/30/2022 at 5:57 PM, The Wiz said:

And they already could have in the past which would make what Haslam did seem as a "me before we" act to the rest of the owners which in sure won't sit well. 

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Again, at some point, some owner was going to to it--it has to be the natural progression of how contracts are negotiated and how teams will compete with each other.  Why would the owners want to "punish" another for being the first?  

 

History shows us that NFL owners are very averse to "punishing" each other.  This would be maybe reason 100 on a list of 100 reasons owners would seek retribution.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 6/30/2022 at 5:44 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Doesn't mean it will open the floodgates for more---if it does, then clearly the owners don't mind.  They could all easily agree not to in the future, amongst themselves.

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You clearly stated that "they probably felt like it was a non-starter in their negotiations" so you even believe something was preventing them.

 

Yes, they clearly would mind.  You're trying to argue that they are okay with paying more and it doesn't matter.  What the Browns offered potentially forces teams with QB contracts coming up to pay more.  To argue that the Chargers (or any team with QB coming up in a contract year) don't care they have pay Herbert north of $230,000 million fully guaranteed when under the normal scale $160 million or so would have been the market rate...is insane. 

 

That's like saying people that are paying $50,000 over listing to get the house they want, don't care that they had to because they paid it anyway.

Come on.

 

Eventually someone would have gotten $230,000 million but you're talking like 10 years from now.  

[cle23]

  On 6/30/2022 at 2:24 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He's getting 2 Years minimum - the Browns need to pay a price in this for that ridiculous contract

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The fact that people want the suspension to be longer not because of what allegedly happened, but because of a contract, is pretty messed up to start with.  What does the contract have to do with any of it?

[Augie]

  On 6/30/2022 at 6:15 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You clearly stated that "they probably felt like it was a non-starter in their negotiations" so you even believe something was preventing them.

 

Yes, they clearly would mind.  You're trying to argue that they are okay with paying more and it doesn't matter.  What the Browns offered potentially forces teams with QB contracts coming up to pay more.  To argue that the Chargers (or any team with QB coming up in a contract year) don't care they have pay Herbert north of $230,000 million fully guaranteed when under the normal scale $160 million or so would have been the market rate...is insane. 

 

That's like saying people that are paying $50,000 over listing to get the house they want, don't care that they had to because they paid it anyway.

Come on.

 

Eventually someone would have gotten $230,000 million but you're talking like 10 years from now.  

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There is ZERO question that the contract was a terrible precedent to set and a very Brownsie thing to do, even by their standards. Stick to messing up the Browns and leave the rest of the league out of it! 

[Warcodered]

  On 6/30/2022 at 6:47 PM, cle23 said:

 

The fact that people want the suspension to be longer not because of what allegedly happened, but because of a contract, is pretty messed up to start with.  What does the contract have to do with any of it?

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If we go by that instead I'd rather he not play again at all.

[The Wiz]

  On 6/30/2022 at 6:13 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Again, at some point, some owner was going to to it--it has to be the natural progression of how contracts are negotiated and how teams will compete with each other.  Why would the owners want to "punish" another for being the first?  

 

History shows us that NFL owners are very averse to "punishing" each other.  This would be maybe reason 100 on a list of 100 reasons owners would seek retribution.

 

 

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Natural progression, yes. What they did was not natural progression in signing a player that hasn't played for a year and very well may not play for another year to a fully guaranteed contract. 

 

Rodgers is getting 150m guaranteed with his extension. 

 

So a barely .500 qb is getting 80m more guaranteed money than a 4x MVP and SuperBowl champion. 

 

 

 

[cle23]

  On 6/30/2022 at 5:43 PM, YoloinOhio said:

The defense for Watson is grasping at straws because of what his lawyer and Watson have already admitted so they’ve turned to “whataboutisms” instead … what about the owners?? (who aren’t accused of the same thing and aren’t impacted by the same type of discipline anyway so it’s comparing apples and avocados) …what about last year?? (even though he refused to play because he wanted traded). People really think we are all stupid by throwing this stuff out there as some kind of defense. 

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Dan Snyder was accused of sexual assault, 6 times I believe.  The NFL Personal Conduct Policy calls for HARSHER punishments for owners.  And so far absolutely nothing has happened to him, at all.

 

Last year, the Texans refused to play him as well, even if he had wanted to.