Racially motivated murder at Tops

[Tommy Callahan]

4 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

So your response to the shooting is “well it was just an outlier”

 

Stuff like this is why I’m so glad your ideology is dying off. 

Individual liberty isn't going anywhere.

 

It's an outlier in the data set that is US gun violence.

 

Your dogma is to ignore facts and rage about outliers that fit your racist Ideology?  Damn with facts, just stick to feelings. amirite

 

The funny part is how you and yours won't even go near that area after dark. and your reasoning has nothing to do with the tops shooter two years ago.

 

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Individual liberty isn't going anywhere.

 

It's an outlier in the data set that is US gun violence.

 

Your dogma is to ignore facts and rage about outliers that fit your racist Ideology?  Damn with facts, just stick to feelings. amirite

 

The funny part is how you and yours won't even go near that area after dark. and your reasoning has nothing to do with the tops shooter two years ago.

 

 

 

 

It. Was. A. Racist. Attack. 
 

How can you not admit this? How is this difficult?

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

17 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

So your response to the shooting is “well it was just an outlier”

 

Stuff like this is why I’m so glad your ideology is dying off. 

Would black on black crime be considered racism to you? For the record, I hope the tops shooter burns in hell.

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Would black on black crime be considered racism to you? For the record, I hope the tops shooter burns in hell.

Are they shooting each other specifically for their race?

[Tommy Callahan]

Ah.  We will fix this issue by only addressing the race based gun crimes.  

 

Smh at lefty logic. 

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

 

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Ah.  We will fix this issue by only addressing the race based gun crimes.  

 

Smh at lefty logic. 

 

You won't admit what this was. Incredible. 

 

Every day, the conservatives on this sub confirm my priors. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

You won't admit what this was. Incredible. 

 

Every day, the conservatives on this sub confirm my priors. 

It was a racist attack, of course. 

 

However, I'm not sure we extend any sort of justice to the victims by dumbing it down to "He was white and hated black people.".  What sane person, however hateful, systematically plans and carries out atrocities like this?  The root cause here was insanity.  He didn't scratch someone's car with a key, didn't throw a rock through a window, he hunted people down and executed them.   Completely off the rails, alternate reality insanity.  

 

I'm not a psychiatrist, but it occurs to me that there are two ways to address this situation.  

 

1. Death penalty, end of story;

2. Work to figure out how this guy got so far detached from reality that he would act out in this way against mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers.   

 

I get the desire for the first option, I used to feel that way in situations like this.  Or, really any situation involving murder.  I think thought that option 2 is the right path, to gather information in an attempt to stop the next mass murder, or the one after that.  

 

 

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It was a racist attack, of course. 

 

However, I'm not sure we extend any sort of justice to the victims by dumbing it down to "He was white and hated black people.".  What sane person, however hateful, systematically plans and carries out atrocities like this?  The root cause here was insanity.  He didn't scratch someone's car with a key, didn't throw a rock through a window, he hunted people down and executed them.   Completely off the rails, alternate reality insanity.  

 

I'm not a psychiatrist, but it occurs to me that there are two ways to address this situation.  

 

1. Death penalty, end of story;

2. Work to figure out how this guy got so far detached from reality that he would act out in this way against mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers.   

 

I get the desire for the first option, I used to feel that way in situations like this.  Or, really any situation involving murder.  I think thought that option 2 is the right path, to gather information in an attempt to stop the next mass murder, or the one after that.  

 

 

You’re a smart guy and a good poster. But I can’t agree with that. Ask any of the victims below if “dumbing it down” to racism is wrong. 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

You’re a smart guy and a good poster. But I can’t agree with that. Ask any of the victims below if “dumbing it down” to racism is wrong. 

 

You’re probably correct on the victims and families.  I wasn’t attempting to speak for them, that’s not my place and I would not presume to do so.  I’d understand just about any reaction from them, from wanting 5 minutes in a room with the murderer, to watching him strapped to a gurney to  wanting to see life in prison.   I don’t always understand how people can forgive, though the capacity of some people to forgive always impresses and amazes me. 
 

That said, there is a reason family members and friends are not allowed to sit in judgement of perpetrators.  
 

I was speaking societally, in the big picture.  I doubt a criminal psychologist would spend 5 minutes with the guy, close his notebook and declare “Racism, nothing else to see here.”.  
 

Btw, in retrospect, “dumbing it down” was a poor choice of words for me to use.  I was simply trying to suggest there likely is a lot more beneath the surface of this guy, beyond racism, and by exploring what that might be, perhaps more can be learned to prevent it from happening in the future.  

[BillStime]

🎯

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

Let's hope this isn't racially motivated. 

 

So we can ignore it like the majority of mass shootings

 

 

 

[muppy]

On 5/14/2024 at 7:47 AM, KDIGGZ said:

I'm guessing there has been at least 10 people murdered in that neighborhood in this month. But as long as it's black on black crime nobody cares apparently. If a white guy does it then they make statues to remember the victims. Let's keep that same energy for all murders

This thread is a time capsule Intriguing reading.

 

to the black do you have any links to support this? Is this Black Rock? I honestly don[t know

 

and to the red If you don't have empathy you don't care. Are you saying American people lack empathy? And on whose side is this directed at?

 

I'm not here to rabble these are honest questions I'm curious thanks

 

PS: Statues?

 

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[muppy]

On 5/14/2024 at 2:20 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It was a racist attack, of course. 

 

However, I'm not sure we extend any sort of justice to the victims by dumbing it down to "He was white and hated black people.".  What sane person, however hateful, systematically plans and carries out atrocities like this?  The root cause here was insanity.  He didn't scratch someone's car with a key, didn't throw a rock through a window, he hunted people down and executed them.   Completely off the rails, alternate reality insanity.  

 

sup Leo 🙂  I think from my perspective this guy was not a very sharp knife to begin with. And it is entirely possible he was indoctrinated by social media into the depths of depravity and racism on those dark websites. So the murderer hated blacks. My own dad was a Bigot. RIP dad. But he hated blacks. I hated that HE hated blacks.  The reason he hated them was due to bad interactions with blacks as a youth in WNY.

 

Is hate a mental illness?

 

What I'm saying is the murderer in this case IMHO has a lot of serious issues. Of course it is insane to perpetrate such an act at all. But I think hate was the overwhelming factor. Fed by garbage online. Sick Bastard Indeed.

 

He won't be popular in jail. I see him in protective custody for the rest of his miserable life. Whatcha your back Murderer

 

I wont say his name **** him.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

18 hours ago, muppy said:

sup Leo 🙂  I think from my perspective this guy was not a very sharp knife to begin with. And it is entirely possible he was indoctrinated by social media into the depths of depravity and racism on those dark websites. So the murderer hated blacks. My own dad was a Bigot. RIP dad. But he hated blacks. I hated that HE hated blacks.  The reason he hated them was due to bad interactions with blacks as a youth in WNY.

 

Is hate a mental illness?

 

What I'm saying is the murderer in this case IMHO has a lot of serious issues. Of course it is insane to perpetrate such an act at all. But I think hate was the overwhelming factor. Fed by garbage online. Sick Bastard Indeed.

 

He won't be popular in jail. I see him in protective custody for the rest of his miserable life. Whatcha your back Murderer

 

I wont say his name **** him.

Your father may have been a victim of the time and place he lived.  People lived in a smaller world, with less access to information, societal norms established as they were, and (I’m assuming) during an era when people stayed within groups (ethnic, race) because survival often dictated it.  When you factor in personal experience and trauma that people may have experienced, is it any wonder people developed animosity, distrust, hatred for others based on color or ethnicity?  In fact, that likely wasn’t the exception, it was the rule.  The real question imo is were roles reversed—you the parent from his era, he the child of yours, what might that look like?  
 

Anyway, my only point was that this guy is insane, certifiably, irretrievably and definitively based on the standards of any time.  
 

 

[muppy]

16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Your father may have been a victim of the time and place he lived.  People lived in a smaller world, with less access to information, societal norms established as they were, and (I’m assuming) during an era when people stayed within groups (ethnic, race) because survival often dictated it.  When you factor in personal experience and trauma that people may have experienced, is it any wonder people developed animosity, distrust, hatred for others based on color or ethnicity?  In fact, that likely wasn’t the exception, it was the rule.  The real question imo is were roles reversed—you the parent from his era, he the child of yours, what might that look like?  
 

Anyway, my only point was that this guy is insane, certifiably, irretrievably and definitively based on the standards of any time.  
 

 

You spent a paragraph sharing thoughts on my dad. Can I ask you to write my eulogy? I'm SO Serious. That was thoughtful true and perfect Gracias amigo

 

to the bolded it in the end only matters if what exacerbated this guys mental illness and hate.For whatever reason they may be,  they be vetted in an ATTEMPT to identify who these perps will be in the future. 

 

that was a mouthful (mupful?)

 

lol HAPPY FATHERS DAY TOMORROW

 

You're the best. 

 

Can you please MILK IT TOMORROW. 

 

hehehe

 

Brazilian steakhouse maybe? I'v never been. anyway 🙂

 

hasta lasagna 🙂

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

If anything this topic has shown that the only gun issue is the racist kind (vaste minority) with a long gun (vast minority).

 

And the majority creating minority victims with non long guns are ignored .    You know.  For politics. 

[muppy]

34 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

If anything this topic has shown that the only gun issue is the racist kind (vaste minority) with a long gun (vast minority).

 

And the majority creating minority victims with non long guns are ignored .    You know.  For politics. 

you are conflating the "gun issue" with the "racist issue" People who are not 24-7 invested in politics care about MANY things. But you would expect we not be appalled and outraged at someone being shot up while out grocery shopping? 

 

When it is personal and within your own life and experience. Politics? It no longer is political when it is YOUR loved one, Your community member who is shot. I don't care what kind of gun it is.  I have empathy with someone  going to the grocery store and being shot up. For racial reasons. WTF

 

. I think there is outrage enough for all the guns . TYVM

 

 

 

 

 

Please.

[Tommy Callahan]

I don't see the coverage, attention or statues being made for the many victims of gun crime in that same few block radius since.  

 

It is what it is.  

 

The left only focuses on the outlier while their soft on crime policies create more gun violence victims.