Mass shooting in Buffalo (Those wishing to exchange on the political aspects of this situation should do so in the thread located in PPP) - edit by moderator

[Andy1]

What bothers me most is the pride some have in their hatred towards others. Flags, stickers, etc. to show they are part of the tribe. Last week I was in a very rural area north of Binghamton. The school bus stopped and three black children got out to go home. Two houses away, their neighbor is flying the confederate flag.    People now feel safe showing others they hate. There is no shame. That still bothers me just thinking about those kids.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 5/15/2022 at 1:15 AM, Mike in Horseheads said:

Binghamton is not far from Ithaca

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I'm aware of the geography.  I've carefully refrained from commentary on my experience with the philosophical proclivities of the area.

 

  On 5/15/2022 at 1:15 AM, Mike in Horseheads said:

 Also I-81 from Conklin to the NYS thruway would indeed take him through Syracuse and Rochester

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True.  It's about 15% longer, but maybe interstate all the way is a push on time.  So he could have.

 

I'm not sure if I'm "I guess his reasons will come out and we'll know" or "I don't GAF I just want this guy to burn, and the sooner the better for me" (unfortunately or fortunately  I respect the law)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 5/15/2022 at 1:58 AM, Andy1 said:

What bothers me most is the pride some have in their hatred towards others. Flags, stickers, etc. to show they are part of the tribe. Last week I was in a very rural area north of Binghamton. The school bus stopped and three black children got out to go home. Two houses away, their neighbor is flying the confederate flag.    People now feel safe showing others they hate. There is no shame. That still bothers me just thinking about those kids.

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To be fair, some people flying the confederate battle flag don't perceive it as a symbol of hate (seriously, not kidding) and need to be gently walked through why others see it as such, and why, when you pick a symbol to display to others, you don't get to pick and choose amongst its historical associations.

 

  On 5/15/2022 at 1:20 AM, RiotAct said:

why oh why did NYS get rid of the death penalty?

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Apparently it costs more to exhaust all the appeals allowed in a death penalty case than to just feed and house the guy for life.  Dunno if that's the reason though.

[JoPoy88]

  On 5/15/2022 at 12:52 AM, PetermansRedemption said:

Which makes it obvious he targeted Buffalo for some reason that will hopefully come out. Syracuse is 1 hour away from Conklin, Buffalo is like 3.5 hours. 

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if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn.

[jkeerie]

  On 5/15/2022 at 2:13 AM, JoPoy88 said:

if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn.

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I hadn't realized the media is now citing elements of his manifesto.  At the initial press conference the media was very closed mouthed about all this as the investigation was ongoing.  I don't think I have the stomach to search out and read the document, but from what I gather from the press, he certainly was influenced by other mass shooters and was radicalized especially over the past few years via social media forums.  This is just plain scary.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 5/15/2022 at 2:13 AM, JoPoy88 said:

if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn.

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My stomach is not that strong.  I will take your word. 

 

  On 5/15/2022 at 2:29 AM, jkeerie said:

I hadn't realized the media is now citing elements of his manifesto. 

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Wish they wouldn't

[ExiledInIllinois]

  On 5/15/2022 at 2:13 AM, JoPoy88 said:

if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn.

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Wow! 😔 😟 🙁 

[Logic]

It’s almost as if the ongoing normalization of white supremacy and replacement theory have awful consequences in the real world.

[jkeerie]

  On 5/15/2022 at 2:37 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

My stomach is not that strong.  I will take your word. 

 

 

Wish they wouldn't

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They're not really quoting from it, but just citing how he researched the shooting venue and planned everything.  Also they cited his influences.  This was in an article in the NY Times.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 5/15/2022 at 2:57 AM, jkeerie said:

They're not really quoting from it, but just citing how he researched the shooting venue and planned everything.  Also they cited his influences.  This was in an article in the NY Times.

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Thanks.

 

TBN article about it:

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/pure-evil-racial-motives-cited-in-mass-shooting-that-killed-10-at-buffalo-supermarket/article_8ea69e00-d3e7-11ec-95a9-3317a6a19739.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_TheBuffaloNews

 

No paywall on this article

 

NY Times coverage:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting?

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Maryam Akaic, left, and a friend light candles across the street from Tops, where they shop often. “If this happened to anyone in my family, I’d want them to light candles for us.”

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[Not at the table Karlos]

Just saw his plan. Had every step planned out. The store mapped out. Where security usually is. Where the most people would be. Looked at reviews online and saw store is slow. Where they would flee and what neighborhood he was gonna go to next with what weapons. 

 

My god this is the most heartbreaking thing I've ever read. 

[John from Riverside]

I am now watching to see what people say oh this was such a tragedy but what if they didn’t people trying to justify this

 

They will be out there won’t take long

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 5/15/2022 at 12:27 AM, RaoulDuke79 said:

This is just my opinion, but social media has been the single biggest misery to society in my 40+ years. Maybe I'm a Luddite, but I see much more harm than good.

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It is with no joy that I have to say that after years of arguing the opposite point, I now have to agree with you.

The internet in general? A net positive. Social media? A net negative.

[Teddy KGB]

  On 5/15/2022 at 2:55 AM, Logic said:

It’s almost as if the ongoing normalization of white supremacy and replacement theory have awful consequences in the real world.

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Where is this happening at ?    This seems like crazy talk 

[716er]

  On 5/15/2022 at 3:47 AM, Teddy KGB said:

Where is this happening at ?    This seems like crazy talk 

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Fox News - not political. It’s a fact.

[Logic]

  On 5/15/2022 at 3:47 AM, Teddy KGB said:

Where is this happening at ?    This seems like crazy talk 

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Here are a few articles about the foothold that replacement theory — itself a White supremacist ideology — has on many Americans, from a variety of sources. 
 

The shooter today was not the first mass shooter to be radicalized by white supremacy and replacement theory and he won’t be the last.

 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tucker-carlson-great-replacement-white-supremacy-1231248/amp/

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/poll-finds-one-third-of-adults-say-they-think-an-effort-is-afoot-to-replace-native-born-americans-with-new-immigrants-for-electoral-purposes-01652314775

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/nearly-half-republicans-agree-with-great-replacement-theory/

 

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1295212

[ExiledInIllinois]

  On 5/15/2022 at 3:42 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

It is with no joy that I have to say that after years of arguing the opposite point, I now have to agree with you.

The internet in general? A net positive. Social media? A net negative.

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Yes... But social media in a "Ukrainian Situation" is a net positive!

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 5/15/2022 at 3:56 AM, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yes... But social media in a "Ukrainian Situation" is a net positive!

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I will grant you that. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 5/15/2022 at 3:42 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

It is with no joy that I have to say that after years of arguing the opposite point, I now have to agree with you.

The internet in general? A net positive. Social media? A net negative.

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I think the thing to remember is that before there was Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and Discord, there were AOL groups and newsgroups and then specialized bulletin boards and websites that were dedicated to pushing various ideologies. 

 

So IMHO it's kind of hard to separate the internet from social media.  I guess the latter makes it more widespread and readily available 24/7 since it's on smartphone apps?

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

  On 5/15/2022 at 3:55 AM, Logic said:

 

Here are a few articles about the foothold that replacement theory — itself a White supremacist ideology — has on many Americans, from a variety of sources. 
 

The shooter today was not the first mass shooter to be radicalized by white supremacy and replacement theory and he won’t be the last.

 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tucker-carlson-great-replacement-white-supremacy-1231248/amp/

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/poll-finds-one-third-of-adults-say-they-think-an-effort-is-afoot-to-replace-native-born-americans-with-new-immigrants-for-electoral-purposes-01652314775

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/nearly-half-republicans-agree-with-great-replacement-theory/

 

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1295212

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white supremacy is always frowned upon 100 of 100 times that I’ve came across but I guess I don’t know everyone 

 

feels reachy 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Teddy KGB