PSL Feedback For New Stadium

[blitzboy54]

My issue is this - We gave Billionaire owners $850,000,000 of OUR money to build THEIR stadium, now they want PSL money and that is "understandable"? Bull****, I gave at the office.  I donated to the cause every paycheck. They can take their PSL's and stick them in their nether regions. 

[corta765]

43 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

My issue is this - We gave Billionaire owners $850,000,000 of OUR money to build THEIR stadium, now they want PSL money and that is "understandable"? Bull****, I gave at the office.  I donated to the cause every paycheck. They can take their PSL's and stick them in their nether regions. 

 

Agreed. The retort is technically the funds will be captured for 850mil given over 20 years and tax income etc... yea its BS. Buffalo for 20 years now has escaped most of the money BS the league does just to attend a game but our day has unfortunately come. I just hope it is rational and fair which is not saying much but also a stretch with billionaires.

[Don Otreply]

PSLs are a scam, much like our tax dollars being used to build privately owned corporate infrastructure, that folk spin it as being anything else is really quite sad. 

[corta765]

7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

PSLs are a scam, much like our tax dollars being used to build privately owned corporate infrastructure, that folk spin it as being anything else is really quite sad. 

 

It is why Id rather just say its a ticket tax to help fund the stadium and walk away. When they try to list the PSL perks it all feels like BS

[noacls]

7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

This is not official, at all. But this Reddit post may give us a general idea of where we'll end up...

 

Reserved seating options

Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and the end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100

Location: Lower level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,730 One-time PSL: $3,950

Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $900 One-time PSL: $1,150

Location: Lower level between 40- and 20-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,900 One-time PSL: $4,850

Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,200

Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,600

Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $750

Location: Field level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,950

Location: Mezzanine level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950

Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $820 One-time PSL: $2,100

Location: Lower level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $2,600

Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $1,400

Location: Mezzanine level corner Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $1,750

Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100

Location: Lower level corner Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $3,950

Location: Mezzanine level between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $4,850

Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100

Location: Lower level between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $9,000

Location: Mezzanine level between the 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $4,850

Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Moderate, canopy overhead Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $600

Location: Lower level between 25- and 15-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950

Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $2,100

Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,310 One-time PSL: $4,850

Location: Lower level end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $1,750

Individual premium seating options

Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200

Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,000 One-time PSL: $20,000

Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $13,600

Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,050 One-time PSL: $13,600

Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,350 One-time PSL: $9,200

Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200

Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 10-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,400 One-time PSL: $5,150

Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $6,050 One-time PSL: $24,250

Location: Lower-level club suite between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $13,600

Location: Mezzanine-level club suite between 25- and 10-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $3,000 One-time PSL: $6,250

Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $11,200

Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $20,000

Suite seating options

Location: Sideline executive suite Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $198,150 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level living-room box in corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $75,150 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $54,000 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $103,450 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $347,700 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $214,150 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level loge box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level living-room box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level executive suite on sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $267,700 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $77,100 One-time PSL: Not required

Location: Suite-level living-room box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required

If prices are anywhere near that the stadium will be empty. 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, noacls said:

If prices are anywhere near that the stadium will be empty. 

 

The the team should probably move since those are still cheap (maybe still the cheapest) in the NFL.

[noacls]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The the team should probably move since those are still cheap (maybe still the cheapest) in the NFL.

Link?

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, noacls said:

Link?

 

Sure, here's one https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/nfl-game-costs/

[HardyBoy]

6 hours ago, The Tomcat said:

Heres what we do.  We get rid of psl's altogether.

 

Let's say the PSL revenue needs to be $300 million dollars.  Erie County runs a special lottery where half goes to the winner, the other half towards the $300 million.    Once the $300 million is reached this lottery would end or future proceeds going towards some sort of charity.  EVERYONE WINS!

 

BOOM!  

 

The Bills could do a special 50/50 drawing just like at the games.  Weekly or whatever.

 

I like the idea in concept, but lotteries are evil things that prey on the poor.

 

50/50 drawing in the stadium though sounds like a good idea, but 8 games a year for 10 years is 80 games to get $200m... you'd need to raise $2.5m per game! Oh and you had said $300m!

 

You'd need an actual lottery, which again are evil evil things...not against gambling, I'm against deluding people through intentional and targeted marketing, who only have $5 a week extra maybe, that they could win the lottery. That should go in the bank, not a lottery, where the heat from the cash would be more valuable than the ticket if they just lit their cash on fire. There are some cool banks that are doing cool things like that actually in terms of ethical lotteries.

 

/rant and yes I'm a blast at parties!

 

Also, I always put 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 on my lottery tickets...before you tell me I'm nuts, it's just as likely that comes up as any other combination. Stop playing the lottery people, it's a scam.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

10 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

I was literally contacted by a reporter for the Buffalo News and asked if I was willing to speak for five minutes which I said ok to. This is a pretty big deal for many fans with PSLs that I took as seriously as I could and hoped I represented their thoughts in that light. I could give two craps about any 15 mins, I do care that Bills fans thoughts come through and I represented them in a decent level.

Why not just share your opinions as an individual? Do you really feel it necessary to take on the mantle of representing what you think 30 or 40 thousand other people think?  And you feel the need to apologize to the people who may not agree with you and never asked you to represent them in the first place? Some people might agree with you, some might not. Who cares, just state your case as you see it, and maybe the validity of your argument will influence others. 

10 hours ago, TOboy said:

In this case he was asked and presented his own opinion 

No, he actually stated he presented the opinion he thinks other potential PSL holders will hold, and then apologized to all the people he decided to try to represent without their consent to the extent that they don't agree with him. 

 

10 hours ago, mrags said:

Someone piss in your Cheerios this morning?

My bagel may have been urinated upon. 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

10 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

He was asked for his opinion and you weren't.

First off, great GIF. But no, I came to this thread to read his opinion and got told he was apologizing in case he didn't represent my opinion accurately. But I don't recall asking him to represent my opinion on anything, so why is he apologizing?

[Buffalo716]

10 hours ago, blitzboy54 said:

My issue is this - We gave Billionaire owners $850,000,000 of OUR money to build THEIR stadium, now they want PSL money and that is "understandable"? Bull****, I gave at the office.  I donated to the cause every paycheck. They can take their PSL's and stick them in their nether regions. 

It's not the pegulas stadium 

 

It'll be owned by NYS and Erie county owns the current one

Edited May 12, 2022 by Buffalo716

[corta765]

12 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

First off, great GIF. But no, I came to this thread to read his opinion and got told he was apologizing in case he didn't represent my opinion accurately. But I don't recall asking him to represent my opinion on anything, so why is he apologizing?

 

The article will be read by a lot of people and as such it does represent the view of the fanbase. I do not expect consensus that everyone will agree with my perspective but being asked as I was I hope I was able to express the feelings of many Bills fans on something that is an extremely sensitive topic. My apology is if what I said went against the grain or didn't capture others view points. If you are that far dense to not understand that and current wait and see period with PSLs that has many many fans on pins and needles on what it means for them then I don't know what to say to you other then too bad and move along. 

[LabattBlue]

Article published this morning.  Did you make the cut?

[corta765]

12 minutes ago, BTB said:

Article published this morning.  Did you make the cut?

 

Yep, he mostly captured my thoughts.

[ddaryl]

15 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Sure, here's one https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/nfl-game-costs/

Those prices do not include PSL's I do believe. 

[R. Rich]

I completed the survey today.   My preference would be to be as close to the access tunnel as possible.   Looks like theirs would be in the corners instead of the end zone as they are now.  I've had end zone/tunnel seats for 12 years and would like to be as close to that as I can get. 

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Those prices do not include PSL's I do believe. 

 

They definitely don't since I believe the article is at least a year old and they were using current pricing. But a lot of teams already have PSLs and they don't get factored into that list, so ours wouldn't either.

 

Depends on how you look at the PSL since it is a 1-time fee. How long are you going to hold your tickets to spread that cost over? 5 years? 10 years? Plus, the PSL can be resold/transferred if you decide to give up your tickets.

 

Either way, original point still stands: Bills already have the cheapest tickets in the league (and have for decades). When you look at prices for other teams, and the new pricing, we're still low. Maybe we move up to...?... 26 instead of 32?

 

If Buffalo can't afford tickets in the bottom quarter of the league, then that is a Buffalo problem.

 

I understand a lot of folks will be priced out, but there should be enough to take their places. Don't get me wrong, PSLs suck, I hate it, but it is the reality of the situation.

[Greg S]

The Bills will work with the fans with PSL fees. You will probably have the option to pay it in full immediately, or over 5, 10, 15 years. At least that is what the Jets do. The Jets also split the cost of seasons to be paid in the spring and the PSL fee comes in the fall. With the Jets its due Nov 1. These prices are expensive for many fans and teams know this. 

[corta765]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

They definitely don't since I believe the article is at least a year old and they were using current pricing. But a lot of teams already have PSLs and they don't get factored into that list, so ours wouldn't either.

 

Depends on how you look at the PSL since it is a 1-time fee. How long are you going to hold your tickets to spread that cost over? 5 years? 10 years? Plus, the PSL can be resold/transferred if you decide to give up your tickets.

 

Either way, original point still stands: Bills already have the cheapest tickets in the league (and have for decades). When you look at prices for other teams, and the new pricing, we're still low. Maybe we move up to...?... 26 instead of 32?

 

If Buffalo can't afford tickets in the bottom quarter of the league, then that is a Buffalo problem.

 

I understand a lot of folks will be priced out, but there should be enough to take their places. Don't get me wrong, PSLs suck, I hate it, but it is the reality of the situation.

 

The prices I were told were literally this week so I would work with that as a range to start with. Buffalo is super cheap for everything league wide, many fans really do not understand that. The fact they even mentioned PSLs at just $500 is rather remarkable as in some cities the starting point was $5000.