GunnerBill's mock versus the world

[NoSaint]

On 5/2/2022 at 5:42 AM, PetermansRedemption said:

Wouldn’t this also be an argument for why you do it this way? It penalizes the easier picks at the top of the round far more than it penalizes the more difficult late round picks. 

but the scope of the penalty is grossly out of balance. 

[John from Riverside]

Bottom line....Gunner knows his *****

[Buffalo716]

What realistically people should be comparing... If that's what this thread is for

 

Is gunners top 100-150 prospects and see how they pan out in 3 years 

 

Mocking people to where they go is good but it doesn't really have a value... 

 

If he mocked pickett to the Steelers in the first... That means he knows the Steelers were looking at quarterback

 

If he had pickett his 20th ranked player in the draft and he turns out he sucks... Well it doesn't matter he mocked him to Pittsburgh 

 

If he was his 130th ranked player... Projected to be a backup.. and he mocked him to the Steelers in the first... That's more impressive

 

 

Edited May 8, 2022 by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

What realistically people should be comparing... If that's what this thread is for

 

Is gunners top 100-150 prospects and see how they pan out in 3 years 

 

Mocking people to where they go is good but it doesn't really have a value... 

 

If he mocked pickett to the Steelers in the first... That means he knows the Steelers were looking at quarterback

 

If he had pickett his 20th ranked player in the draft and he turns out he sucks... Well it doesn't matter he mocked him to Pittsburgh 

 

If he was his 130th ranked player... Projected to be a backup.. and he mocked him to the Steelers in the first... That's more impressive

 

 

 

Mocking and evaluating are two very different things. I keep the two very separate. To me mocking is about piecing information about the TEAMS together. The evaluations are a separate they about the PLAYERS.

 

Example: I mocked Walker to the Jags #1. He was my 31st player on my board and a high 2nd round grade, but by draft week he was obviously going #1.

Edited May 8, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Buffalo716]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Mocking and evaluating are two very different things. I keep the two very separate. 

Well I think that was my point

 

Mock drafts have really no value... Whether is kiper, you or me.. it just shows people are in tune with team needs.. and to say look I'm right

 

I've never looked at anybody's mock draft once and thought damn that guy knows football

 

But when I read scouting reports , or talk football with a coach or a scout... It's very easy to pick up if they know what they're talking about 

 

And I'm not trying to say you don't know football... I'm saying that your big board shows your football knowledge a lot more than your mock draft

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well I think that was my point

 

Mock drafts have really no value... Whether is kiper, you or me.. it just shows people are in tune with team needs.. and to say look I'm right

 

I've never looked at anybody's mock draft once and thought damn that guy knows football

 

But when I read scouting reports , or talk football with a coach or a scout... It's very easy to pick up if they know what they're talking about 

 

And I'm not trying to say you don't know football... I'm saying that your big board shows your football knowledge a lot more than your mock draft

 

 

Yes the two exercises are different. I don't think mocks are about showing you know Xs and Os. If you do them well they do show you are in touch with the league, team trends and situations etc. There is value as a fan in knowing a bit about all 32 teams and their rosters and their plan and where they are in the cycle. But generally the value in mocks is pre-draft in terms of helping to sort through the kinds of scenario that might arise and the sort of choice a team may be faced with. They don't have ongoing value and they don't have Xs and Os value, but understanding how teams are being built does have a value. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes the two exercises are different. I don't think mocks are about showing you know Xs and Os. If you do them well they do show you are in touch with the league, team trends and situations etc. There is value as a fan in knowing a bit about all 32 teams and their rosters and their plan and where they are in the cycle. But generally the value in mocks is pre-draft in terms of helping to sort through the kinds of scenario that might arise and the sort of choice a team may be faced with. They don't have ongoing value and they don't have Xs and Os value, but understanding how teams are being built does have a value. 

NFL front offices and scouts will run mock drafts predraft.. to run situations and see what possibilities might arise.. where the scouts will play the gms

 

You're obviously in tune with what NFL teams need and the trends of the league .. and you have a good understanding of the game 

 

I think it's just during the long off season.. after seeing and hearing about 500 mock drafts.. I just hate the word mock draft