2022 NFL Draft - Day 2 Debrief

[LEBills]

25 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Well, how many first round worthy WRs drop to the bottom of the round, where the Bills pick?   They're generally gone by pick 20 or so, as bad teams ahead of the Bills scoup them up--pushing other positions down the board for Beane.   

 

They've used FA for WR2 and WR3, getting vets who could help Josh grow and develop.   With the salary cap constraints that kick in next year, I suspect 2023 is the year they work the draft to land cost-controlled WRs to bolster the offense.

 

24 minutes ago, ganesh said:

The Bills were in a difficult situation in all the three rounds when there was a run on WRs right before them that pretty much took away any chance on them to get a WR.  I am sure if Moore, Pickens etc were on the board at our pick, we would have selected them. 

 

Additionally, the Bills have already picked McKenzie and Crowder in FA....so they were not going to invest a high pick on WR unless they fell to their draft position.

The Bills WR is not terrible now, but it is thin. Sometimes you have to be aggressive and move up into those runs to be players in WRs or just move back and take your next best one. It would be nice to get a higher end guy in before we need him so he can develop before he is needed…like we seem to do with off ball LBs which are a much lesser value position.

 

It is what it is, there are only so much money for free agents and draft picks each year but we have been very defense heavy lately (last big draft capital used on offense was Diggs and last big FA offense signing was 2019 when they signed Smoke, Beasley and OLineman) and it’s time to give Josh more help. 

[Dopey]

Let's not confuse lack of high draft picks on wr with not addressing the position. We gave up draft capital on Diggs, we drafted Davis, we brought in Beasley, and everyone's super hero Zay replacement Duke. Sanders, Crowder, Knox. OJ Howard, McKenzie. Comparisons to other teams isn't fair. Gunner mentioned Dallas. What has that gotten them?  They've made the playoffs 2x since 2016. Those teams are lacking somewhere. We're still one of the deepest teams out there.

[Brand J]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Crazy to think a SB favorite is one Diggs or Davis injury away from Jake ducking Kumerow starting. 😅

To be fair, most contending teams are in the “if we lose this player…” predicament. Impossible to have quality depth everywhere.

[RangerDave]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Brandon Beane serves at McDermott's discretion. 

Does this mean then that Beane cannot get fired without McDermott also getting fired?  What would Beane's performance measures be, if he is not responsible for the drafting of players?  Does McD also tell him which FAs to sign and which of our own players do we re-sign?  Who determines length and size of contracts?

 

I am not disagreeing with you, I am just curious.

[OldTimer1960]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im not overlooking it.. I don’t know that the Chiefs will be even close to as dynamic as they’ve been with Hill.  He’s that special.  
 

What I’m saying is that we have posters saying we don’t need a WR, when we have two legitimate outside WR’s.  
 

The Chiefs have MVS, Hardman and Juju as their starters, then still went out and got Mahomes Skyy Moore.  
 

We have Diggs, Davis and Crowder… a better 3-wide than the Chiefs, but after them we have a gadget/slot in McKenzie and that’s really it. 

I don’t think that anyone said that we couldn’t use a WR.  We NEEDED a CB and took one.  Note that not many CBs were picked last night after Booth and Gordon went early - people touting Tariq Woolen and McCollum as 2nd round options were wishful thinking trying to rationalize not filling the glaring need at CB.

 

I’m not a huge fan of the Cook pick, but he does a lot of what someone like Sky Moore would have done had they taken him. Cook is listed at RB, but his value is as a receiver.  
 

By late round 3, there were few WRs of value left after the Cowboys nabbed Tolbert.  I’m really struggling to see what they like about Bernard, but who was the WR that they could have taken there?

 

For a draft where ther was supposed to be great value in the middle rounds, It sure didn’t feel like that when looking at available players at the Bills’ picks.

[GunnerBill]

47 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, I believe that I teach asked the Pegulas to fire the other, Beane would go, but I dont know it with certainty you express.  How do you know this?  

 

From everything they themselves tell us. It is pretty clear Sean has the power. He said himself last week he is more involved in the draft than most coaches. I don't know that they have ever had to formally give him roster control because he and Beane work absolutely in lock step. But if there were some sort of fallout (which I doubt will ever happen) and McDermott demanded a new GM I am as certain as it is possible to be that he would get it.

40 minutes ago, Apocalypse Nuts said:

Probably right.  But why do we even need to go here in our conversations? I mean,  things are going so friggin’ nicely right now why mess with the mojo?

Lest we all forget all-too-recent history of our beloved Bills organization.  
In other words,  why stir stuff up just for the sake of stirring stuff up?

 

 You all might benefit from adding this song to your playlists.  Certainly helps me chill and keep things in perspective.  And if you know me, you will definitely agree that  I can use all of that I can get:

 

 

 

 

Ha I think these two are both here for the long haul. To be clear. 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I don’t think that anyone said that we couldn’t use a WR.  We NEEDED a CB and took one.  Note that not many CBs were picked last night after Booth and Gordon went early - people touting Tariq Woolen and McCollum as 2nd round options were wishful thinking trying to rationalize not filling the glaring need at CB.

 

I’m not a huge fan of the Cook pick, but he does a lot of what someone like Sky Moore would have done had they taken him. Cook is listed at RB, but his value is as a receiver.  
 

By late round 3, there were few WRs of value left after the Cowboys nabbed Tolbert.  I’m really struggling to see what they like about Bernard, but who was the WR that they could have taken there?

 

For a draft where ther was supposed to be great value in the middle rounds, It sure didn’t feel like that when looking at available players at the Bills’ picks.

The draft could not have played out any worse for us if we wanted to stand pat and take a WR.   Agreed.  
 

We could have moved up in RD2 or RD3 to get someone, but I’m on board with the James Cook pick.  
 

Hoping we get someone early today to be that outside WR3 or a Calvin Austin to give us more speed. 
 

We could also still sign someone, especially if the drafting of Bernard leads to the release of Matakevich. 
 

Kumerow is fine for WR6, but Stevenson showed us nothing as a rookie and Hodgins has been in witness protection since we drafted him.  

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

Does this mean then that Beane cannot get fired without McDermott also getting fired?  What would Beane's performance measures be, if he is not responsible for the drafting of players?  Does McD also tell him which FAs to sign and which of our own players do we re-sign?  Who determines length and size of contracts?

 

I am not disagreeing with you, I am just curious.

 

I think McDermott could out survive Beane. I don't think Beane could outsurvive McDermott. The reality however is that these guys are tied at the hip.

[davefan66]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

Good post! 
 

it feels like we missed on some good value at safety yesterday. I wonder what the plan is.

Based on the age of our starting duo, I was on board with grabbing some depth.  Listening to local radio yesterday, seems our FO is pretty high on out backups and PS safety depth.

 

 

[LEBills]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think McDermott could out survive Beane. I don't think Beane could outsurvive McDermott. The reality however is that these guys are tied at the hip.

McDermott was here before and approved Beane, that’s all we need to know when wondering who is the one with more control

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The draft could not have played out any worse for us if we wanted to stand pat and take a WR.   Agreed.  
 

We could have moved up in RD2 or RD3 to get someone, but I’m on board with the James Cook pick.  
 

Hoping we get someone early today to be that outside WR3 or a Calvin Austin to give us more speed. 
 

We could also still sign someone, especially if the drafting of Bernard leads to the release of Matakevich. 
 

Kumerow is fine for WR6, but Stevenson showed us nothing as a rookie and Hodgins has been in witness protection since we drafted him.  

Bo Melton, WR, Rutgers and Isaiah Likely, TE, Coastal Carolina are two fellas I am hoping for. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, BTB said:

Good insights on lack of premium picks used on WR…especially compared to RB. 

Can't resist high defensive picks

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Cash said:

Yeah, the two wildcards that none of us have any clue about are Stevenson and Hodgins. Hodgins has played so little, he plausibly might be one of the first cuts in training camp, or easily could wind up the top backup outside. I loved Stevenson coming out of the draft last year, and thought he showed a lot of promise. Some dumb rookie mistakes to be sure, but those are learning opportunities. He could e primed for a big jump this year. Or not! Without insider access, we have no way of predicting.

 

Honest question:  What has Stevenson done that you feel showed a lot of promise?

 

Hodgins.  There seems to be a lot of Hodgins love on the board.  In general, we as fans seem to love our 6th and 7th rounders who we've barely seen on the field (Sweeney). 

The bottom lines are:

1)  Hodgins is going into his 3rd season, and has seen four (4) snaps in one game.  That's not promising.

2) Fundamentally, Hodgins would be no higher than the #5 WR behind Diggs, Davis, Crowder, and McKenzie. 

The #5 WR MUST play teams.  Has Hodgins ever played teams?  In College?  In Preseason? 

 

That's why Kumerow is on the roster - not because he's a great or even a good WR, but because he can really play teams.

 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Bo Melton, WR, Rutgers and Isaiah Likely, TE, Coastal Carolina are two fellas I am hoping for. 

Watched Coastal twice this past year and Likely jumped off the screen both times.  

[K-9]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Crazy to think a SB favorite is one Diggs or Davis injury away from Jake ducking Kumerow starting. 😅

Oh FFS, what contender isn’t an injury away from key players and having to play lesser ones?
 

Your Mr. Yuck schtick is old. We all know you’ll find a way to crap on anything this team does or doesn’t do. There isn’t a can of RAID big enough for the bug up your ass. 
 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

The Bills were in a difficult situation in all the three rounds when there was a run on WRs right before them that pretty much took away any chance on them to get a WR.  I am sure if Moore, Pickens etc were on the board at our pick, we would have selected them. 

 

Additionally, the Bills have already picked McKenzie and Crowder in FA....so they were not going to invest a high pick on WR unless they fell to their draft position.

Sorry I don't buy it. They just don't invest draft capital in the offense. 

[davefan66]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Honest question:  What has Stevenson done that you feel showed a lot of promise?

 

Hodgins.  There seems to be a lot of Hodgins love on the board.  In general, we as fans seem to love our 6th and 7th rounders who we've barely seen on the field (Sweeney). 

The bottom lines are:

1)  Hodgins is going into his 3rd season, and has seen four (4) snaps in one game.  That's not promising.

2) Fundamentally, Hodgins would be no higher than the #5 WR behind Diggs, Davis, Crowder, and McKenzie. 

The #5 WR MUST play teams.  Has Hodgins ever played teams?  In College?  In Preseason? 

 

That's why Kumerow is on the roster - not because he's a great or even a good WR, but because he can really play teams.

 

Not sold on Hodgkin.  Then again, what body of work does he have at the pro level to judge him?

 

Kumerow does play ST and it helps him secure a roster spot.  5th WR is good for him.

 

McKenzie is an outlier for me.  Is he really as good as he played in the Pats game?  I hope so.  Would like to see more of him.

 

I feel WR needs to be addressed via the draft, if the player isn’t a complete reach.  Problem with the new WR salaries is those 2nd level WR’s with lower contracts will be in demand.  Grabbing a FA WR may not be as easy as it was.  
 

I do feel we need to draft someone.  May be too late this year to grab a meaningful guy especially if we stick to the 5th round.  I’m concerned Gabe Davis may be tough to keep if he keeps getting better, which he should.  Dude will command a pretty big contract in 2 years.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Sorry I don't buy it. They just don't invest draft capital in the offense. 

 

Yea feels to me as if they were only going to pick a WR if one fell to them as clear BPA. They were not going to do anything to make it happen in the way they did for corner in round 1. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea feels to me as if they were only going to pick a WR if one fell to them as clear BPA. They were not going to do anything to make it happen in the way they did for corner in round 1. 

It's their trend. How many first rounders spent on offense under mcbeane?

[No_Matter_What]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea feels to me as if they were only going to pick a WR if one fell to them as clear BPA. They were not going to do anything to make it happen in the way they did for corner in round 1. 

Agreed. And that to me sounds like a bad decision given the state of our roster.