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[Breakout Squad]

The mix is what makes them different 

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

The owners like to say it's the owner and not the dog and it's all in how you train them. So my life and my dog's life is depending on whether or not the owner trained the dog well enough? Yikes

That’s well put. I’m a dog lover but that has always been my concern. You don’t know if they’re trained well or not. 

[K D]

42 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I used to always believe that - there’s no bad dogs, just bad owners. But then I had an experience that totally changed my mind.

 

15-20 years ago I rescued a pit bull puppy when I was living in Florida. The owner was bragging about how he was going to starve it to death and I took it home on the spot (and reported him, but nothing ever happened).

 

The dog was great when he was a puppy. Obedient, well behaved. Then as he got a bit older he started to show aggression over random things. He’d growl when I fed him. He’d lay by my bed and growl at anyone who came near me at night. Stuff like that. But he never bit anyone.

 

Then I moved back to NY and brought the dog with me. I moved back home and my parents had 2 dogs. He got along with the female dog fine but not the male dog so we had to keep them separated. We also got my dog neutered.

 

Everything really started to change after that. He started getting very aggressive. Trying to bite people. He even bit me, pretty bad. And tried to bite me a few other times where I narrowly got away. He had never shown any aggression toward me before. And it was so unpredictable. 

 

Then one day he was laying out in the living room and my dad walked by. The dog just snapped for no apparent reason and viciously attacked my dad in the leg. Bit his leg so badly that the bone was showing. We Had to call an ambulance and my dad was in the hospital for 3-4 days.

 

It wasn’t just one bite either. He didn’t stop attacking until I heard the commotion and ran up + grabbed the dog. As soon as I grabbed him he snapped right back out of it and was looking at me + wagging his tail and was no longer aggressive.

 

The town showed up (paramedics notified them) and took the dog to be put down.

 

That ate at me for years and years. I always felt like it was something I did wrong.

I am sure I somehow contributed to the problem but I don’t know how. I never abused him or anything even remotely close. I treat my animals very well.

Ive owned all sorts of different dog breeds. I’ve had dog(s) my entire life and never had a problem with any other dog breed. No other dog I’ve ever owned has even shown a hint of aggression.

 

Needless to say I’ll never own another pitbull.

 

 

Really sorry you and your dad had to go through that. It's definitely not your fault. Pitbulls were bred to be strong and powerful for dog fighting, security, hunting, and wrangling big animals like bulls etc. You can raise them to be sweet and loving but it's in their DNA to attack when they think it's necessary. You know who we don't have to worry about? Augie's golden retrievers. Has there been aggressive golden retrievers? Maybe but it's not their normal temperament like it is with pitbulls. And you were a loving owner, just think of all of the crappy owners out there who abuse their dogs to make them meaner. It's just not necessary to have a killer dog like that when there are so many other choices. And everyone has a story about how their pitbull is the sweetest dog ever but for every one of those there's probably a story like yours where it didn't turn out well. So why don't people just take your advice and avoid situations like that from the start?

[BillsShredder83]

45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Having had a ringside seat at a situation where a neighbor's chihuahua was fatally injured and had to be put to sleep after an encounter with a loving, sweet neighborhood dog who was in no way a "huge aggressive" dog (and not a pit bull), I would want to know if there is more to this story.

 

Factors:

1) Toy breeds don't understand size IME.  They will charge at and bark/snarl aggressively at another, much larger dog.   But the same actions that larger dog might take, that to a golden retreiver would mean "knock it off", can deglove a toy (warning: if you don't know what a degloving injury is, you may not want to learn)

2) A number of dogs who are well-socialized with humans and pets have high prey drives, and will chase the hell out of bunnies and squirrels.  Guess what kinda looks like a bunny to a high prey drive dog.

 

Should a dog be outside a fence and off-lead in an urban area, No.  So Jones by the link above is at fault for that.   But let's not go down the "dog injured dog therefore is huge aggressive killer dog" wormhole.

 

Edit: I'm not trying to argue "Pitbulls from fighting lines are really nice doggo's" thing.  Akitas are the Japanese equivalent of a Pitbull as far as I can tell, and I actively tried to talk good friends out of getting one.  I don't think Presa Canarios are necessarily nice dogs, either.  Just making the point that from the incident described in the link, I can't go to "huge aggressive dog/completely irresponsible".

 

 

 

Yeah, that's Sick.

Just here to ad Akitas suck to. Had a family members kill another relatives dog, a kitten, and then finally bite someone before being put down.

 

Beautiful dog, I'd never seen or heard of anyone having one, thought she was really cook at first, but it didn't take long for my daughter to not be allowed over there without me [and the dog caged]

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Awesome video, it also seems that Davis and Taiwan Jones both have dogs I would not want to meet in a dark alley or really any alley.

 

I feel like you spend way too much time in Alleys.

[Warcodered]

39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't believe that there are "no bad dogs".  I mean, a certain number of people are psycho, so why wouldn't there be psycho dogs and psycho horses?

 

 

Wow, what a story.  Is your dad OK?  I do think that some people have bred pitbulls to have a screw loose, because having that screw loose makes them a better fighting dog. 

Problem is it's not really just some people, maybe it's closer to that today, but the breed has probably over a century of being breed for bear/bull baiting and dog fighting. That's not an easy thing to erase from the breed.

33 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

The pit bull breed needs to be phased out.  Breeding them should be made illegal and we need to rid the planet of them.  They are killing machines and a danger to everyone.  I don't care if a pit bull lives to be 15 and has never so much as growled.  It's in all of them an no one knows what each dog's trigger is.  The statistics do not lie .. they are readily available and all tell the same story.

Hard to see how to fix it, it's not impossible it'll just take a lot of work and time, I'm just not sure how breeders would be able to pull that off economically and safely.

32 minutes ago, muppy said:

OH MY.....well not to derail this into a pitbull bully breed thread. But my experience is thus:  ANY dog owner needs to have control of their dog while out in public.  Dog parks are a place that will also be troublesome being off leash and not knowing the tempremen t/personality of the other dogs that are there. Dogs will be dogs.  And like people some personalities dont mix. You don't herd a large group of people in a contained space together and expect they will all get a long either

 

But I do NOT endorse taking a bully breed to a dog park or be off leash while away from home at any time. Their breed  clearly demonstrates the stigma/fear attached to their genetics. AND certain dogs DO need certain types of owners Calm assertive dominant energy basically. Obey the laws period. 

 

ANYWAY I am not  fan of "pitbull breeders" there are hundreds of euthanized pitbull dogs already. Specifically breeding pitbulls  Im not a fan. awww heck Taiwan 😞

 

Frenchies on the other hand notoriously expensive breed I think they are adorable ........I like boston terriers too. 

 

 

Big problem with the mix Taiwan is breeding is how does anyone control a 150lb. Pitbull?

 

Frenchies are adorable and may have great personalities, the problem with them is that they've been breed into being a ridiculous ineffective animal. Can't breathe right making it hard to regulate their temperature or get exercise, can't even really successfully breed on their own a fundamental necessity of any species. If Pitbulls are a dog bred into being an overly aggressive wild animal then the French Bulldog is a similar extreme in the other direction.

13 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Many years ago, I worked with someone who owned a Pitbull. One day, he proudly told me that his Dog tore a cat to shreds, and he left it to die. He was quite proud of it.

This was the only time in my life, where I felt a sense of instant, and unrelenting hatred, for someone..

Not a hunter but I do fish, but there has to be something profoundly wrong with someone that doesn't see what's wrong with causing and allowing an animal to needlessly suffer like that.

3 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

I feel like you spend way too much time in Alleys.

Hey, what I do in my free time is for me to decide.

[Malazan]

35 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Many years ago, I worked with someone who owned a Pitbull. One day, he proudly told me that his Dog tore a cat to shreds, and he left it to die. He was quite proud of it.

This was the only time in my life, where I felt a sense of instant, and unrelenting hatred, for someone..

 

This is why I don't talk to my co-workers about personal stuff. Similarly, I try to know as little as possible about the public figures whose work I enjoy..

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Many years ago, I worked with someone who owned a Pitbull. One day, he proudly told me that his Dog tore a cat to shreds, and he left it to die. He was quite proud of it.

This was the only time in my life, where I felt a sense of instant, and unrelenting hatred, for someone..

 

Psychopath (him not you)

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Sorry to you pitbull owners who disagree but it's completely irresponsible to breed huge killer dogs because you think they look tough or cool. Regular dog owners and people with little kids shouldn't have to worry about their lives being at risk because you think it's cool to have huge aggressive dogs:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2013/09/20/officials-dogs-owned-by-oakland-raiders-cornerback-taiwan-jones-attack-kill-neighbors-dog/amp/

How about you get lost

[K D]

2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

How about you get lost

I'm sure the lady whose dog was killed by Taiwan Jones' dogs that are being promoted in this clip would want you to get lost and have some compassion for other people

[CA OC Bills Fan]

First of all, I am not a fan of pit bulls. That being said, I have always been told that it does depend on the individual dog. Some are very friendly and some people specifically love pit bulls and will train them properly.

 

However, like any animal, they are all individuals. Pit bulls were bred to be aggressive so you are more likely to have an aggressive pit bull no matter how they are trained than an aggressive golden retriever. I once got a rescue dog from the dog shelter. Mixed breed, I thought as he got older he looked like a Rhodesian Ridgeback but I don't really know. We spend a significant amount on training once we determined we weren't capable. Then, the dog bit my son approximately 1/2 inch from his eye, leaving a mark that lasted for months (this was the last straw for my wife by the way, the dog was gone soon after). Before we had expensive / on-site at the trainer training, we went to a public training class. One of his litter mates was in the class. This class started when they were maybe three months old. It was obvious right from the start that the other person got a really nice, friendly, good family pet and we did not. Had nothing to do with what we did, it was just the disposition of the animals. I didn't know enough about how to determine aggression or other traits when I picked out the pet.

[TBBills]

A little afraid of Knox's ability to catch with that pinky.

[Dablitzkrieg]

6 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I'm sure the lady whose dog was killed by Taiwan Jones' dogs that are being promoted in this clip would want you to get lost and have some compassion for other people

Mind ya business and keep your self righteousness away from me bud.  You wear a mask in the car huh? Lol 😆 

[K D]

1 minute ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

First of all, I am not a fan of pit bulls. That being said, I have always been told that it does depend on the individual dog. Some are very friendly and some people specifically love pit bulls and will train them properly.

 

However, like any animal, they are all individuals. Pit bulls were bred to be aggressive so you are more likely to have an aggressive pit bull no matter how they are trained than an aggressive golden retriever. I once got a rescue dog from the dog shelter. Mixed breed, I thought as he got older he looked like a Rhodesian Ridgeback but I don't really know. We spend a significant amount on training once we determined we weren't capable. Then, the dog bit my son approximately 1/2 inch from his eye, leaving a mark that lasted for months (this was the last straw for my wife by the way, the dog was gone soon after). Before we had expensive / on-site at the trainer training, we went to a public training class. One of his litter mates was in the class. This class started when they were maybe three months old. It was obvious right from the start that the other person got a really nice, friendly, good family pet and we did not. Had nothing to do with what we did, it was just the disposition of the animals. I didn't know enough about how to determine aggression or other traits when I picked out the pet.

It sounds like you did everything you could for that dog. Do you think other people would have put in that much effort? Most people are lazy and incompetent. My argument is if there are dog breeds that are more aggressive (statistics prove it that's why insurance is so high for them or not offered at all) then they shouldn't be allowed to be bred or have very strict laws around it at the very least. I can't get behind someone whose dogs killed another dog and then he continues breeding those same dogs and getting younger teammates involved who probably don't know any better. Not a good situation

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Mind ya business and keep your self righteousness away from me bud.  You wear a mask in the car huh? Lol 😆 

Because I care about my 20 lb dog and my 110 lb wife being attacked by a 150 lb dog bred for fighting now I'm a blue haired hippie? That's quite a leap. Sounds like you aren't a very tolerant or compassionate person

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Mind ya business and keep your self righteousness away from me bud.  You wear a mask in the car huh? Lol 😆 

Quoting them twice is a weird way to accomplish that.

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, colin said:

 

 

loool, i love hearing pitlovers spaz out and say "it's the owners, not the breed!!".  like, what if i kept a lion, could i be a good and loving owner and just not every worry that my fur baby wouldn't hurt a fly?  well, the difference between a lion and a dog is only it's genes, which is the difference between a pit and a lab.  

 

i see this kind of trash all over and it's absolutely disgusting!  lol

TIL the difference between a lion and a dog=the difference between a pitbull and a Labrador

 

because genes

[The Dean]

IMO you should never get a dog you aren't competent enough to properly train and control. I grew up with the nastiest chihuahua, Manchester terrier mix. Most vicious dog I've ever known. Would attack a German Shepard or pit bull in a heart beat.  As Hapless noted they do not seem to care about size.  IMO my parents were not qualified to own this dog, as they never did the proper training for him. It bit people all the time. But in truth, when that dog bit someone, there was no major damage. Still pretty screwed up, IMO.

 

It gets more difficult when you get bigger, more dangerous dogs. By more dangerous, I mean much more destructive should they attack and bite. I understand people want to rescue these dogs, as many are abused. But please, don't do it unless you are really prepared for work. These dogs really do need attention and exercise. And you should understand when others are wary of your dog.  So try to be considerate and give people some space.

 

Now I'm an idiot. I'll approach almost any dog (very carefully and respectfully most of the time). I've always seemed to have good luck with dogs and animals in general. But I guess I've been lucky as I have rarely been bitten. But when I adopt my next dog, I plan to get a nice, docile, well trained older dog. I know my limits for attention and training. 😄

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

Really sorry you and your dad had to go through that. It's definitely not your fault. Pitbulls were bred to be strong and powerful for dog fighting, security, hunting, and wrangling big animals like bulls etc. You can raise them to be sweet and loving but it's in their DNA to attack when they think it's necessary. You know who we don't have to worry about? Augie's golden retrievers. Has there been aggressive golden retrievers? Maybe but it's not their normal temperament like it is with pitbulls. And you were a loving owner, just think of all of the crappy owners out there who abuse their dogs to make them meaner. It's just not necessary to have a killer dog like that when there are so many other choices. And everyone has a story about how their pitbull is the sweetest dog ever but for every one of those there's probably a story like yours where it didn't turn out well. So why don't people just take your advice and avoid situations like that from the start?

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

[K D]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

Yep I'm sure it's happened before but not quite as often as with pitbulls. Certain breeds insurance companies won't even insure and pitbulls are top of the list, especially ones like we are talking about bred for their size and muscular appearance

[Draconator]

We have an American Staffordshire Terrior. Looks like a pitbull, barks like you would think a pitbull would bark, but not classified as a pitbull. 

 

I say to Riley on the regular, "Riley, leave the kitties alone". Then 10 minutes later he and 2 of the cats are asleep on our bed. He just turned 3 so in essence, he's a curious toddler. We wouldn't trade him for anything!

[GoBills808]

Just now, KDIGGZ said:

Yep I'm sure it's happened before but not quite as often as with pitbulls. Certain breeds insurance companies won't even insure and pitbulls are top of the list, especially ones like we are talking about bred for their size and muscular appearance

If you're truly interested in this topic, it might surprise you to learn there's no recognized 'pitbull' breed. It encompasses a range of canine subspecies, including but not limited to the American Pitbull Terrier which is likely the particular dog you're referring to. But it's also used to describe any mix of bulldog and terrier, or Staffordshire terrier, or American Bully etc etc so there exists a much larger number of dogs that will be described as a 'pitbull' than say Doberman Pinschers or Rottweilers or Cane Corsos. Hence it's statistically unsurprising that a majority of dog attacks are committed by dogs that can be described as pitbulls.