NFL Draft Rumors

[YoloinOhio]

24 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree.  If Booth isn’t there, we should probably trade back if possible

One of these Corners should be there - booth, Gordon, Elam. All great fits.

[JGMcD2]

36 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Yep.  Levi most likely suspected they were going CB2 with either pick #25 or #57.    That's probably been well known inside the building for a while.

There's absolutely zero shot that their draft decisions are well known in the building - at least where every player is aware. Especially pending free agents months in advance of the draft.

 

I'm sorry, but it doesn't work this way. 

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

One of these Corners should be there - booth, Gordon, Elam. All great fits.

I don’t like Elam.  Cj henderson mentored him.  Bad feeling about him.  Jmo.

 

I’ll be ok with Gordon….but I’d rather trade back

[Virgil]

Jets and Deebo trade is still possible.  Jets are apparently waiting to see who falls to them at 10 before making a decision. 

 

QB's being crap or not, having Tyreek and Deebo would be a lot to ask of Dane while Tre is out 

[RichRiderBills]

54 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t like Elam.  Cj henderson mentored him.  Bad feeling about him.  Jmo.

 

I’ll be ok with Gordon….but I’d rather trade back

 

Elam is off my board. Don't buy the hype. 

 

They ( one bills love)  were talking about Beane not loving SEC players....well FL players and that team was one of the most SEC of the SEC teams under Mullen..."me me" chippy after the play, thugs, coddled athletes ridden with endemic culture problems. I cannot stress enough that team was seriously problematic. 

 

Elam was not the worst offender, but I'd give anyone from that Mullen team a wide berth. Saying this is hard, as I am a Gator myself.

 

[somnus00]

2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

 Corner 2 can also be found later. 

I hear what you're saying, but the NFL is littered with probowl RBs who were drafted after round 1. CBs? Not really. If you want a probowl caliber CB, they come primarily in round 1. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but the chances of a really good CB after round 1 go way down. That's not the case with RB.

 

It would be awesome to have a dynamic RB on this team. I just don't want, or think we have, to spend a round 1 pick to get one.

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, PaattMaann said:

 

With the logic of trading back getting us more picks and players...why do that if we just lose those players like you say? I could see a trade back out of the first round and then package those picks to move back up and have 2/3 picks in the top 45/50. 

 

There could be a couple of different reasons. One you already mentioned is maybe they want multiple picks in a certain area of the draft because they feel thats the strength. Manipulating grabbing extra picks at the top obviously means you have more flexibility to trade up later in the draft if you really like a guy. Another thought, and I think Beane said this once, but maybe it was another GM. If the Bills add 6th and 7th rounders it might be because they want guys to fill out their 90 man roster. The Bills are loaded, its not exactly a destination for a UDFA to find a job. So by adding late round picks, they can get the guys they really want, don't have to negotiate with other teams with weaker rosters, and if they cut them later its not a big deal because they weren't good enough. 

[whorlnut]

9 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

I hear what you're saying, but the NFL is littered with probowl RBs who were drafted after round 1. CBs? Not really. If you want a probowl caliber CB, they come primarily in round 1. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but the chances of a really good CB after round 1 go way down. That's not the case with RB.

 

It would be awesome to have a dynamic RB on this team. I just don't want, or think we have, to spend a round 1 pick to get one.

So by drafting a corner in round one, that means he will be a pro bowler?  That logic isn’t sound. Once the top dogs are gone, the rest have flaws. Don’t force the pick just cause you “need” one. That’s how you end up making a bad pick. 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

You may be correct.

But in 4-5 years of following this regime, I can't think of ANY verifiable draft information that has slipped from One Bills Drive.  Same thing with our targets in free agency.  History shows that rumors surrounding this team never come true.  Which makes you wonder if "leaks" are done on purpose, to create a smokescreen for our true intentions.

 

Last year, all the pre-draft rumors were about Travis Etienne.  He was obviously taken before our pick, so we will never know for sure.  But I don't recall a single article or tweet before the draft suggesting we had heavy interest in Greg Rousseau.  But obviously we did.

 

Two years ago, Defensive Tackle was the most obvious need on the team.  Based on draft position and value, Ed Oliver should have been given to us in 99% of mocks.  But the week of the draft, we kept getting rumblings about the Bills wanting Quinnen Williams and trying to trade-up for him.  Nothing about Oliver.

 

Even in 2018... when EVERYBODY knew we were trading up for a Quarterback... nobody could put their finger on which one we wanted.  To this day, people speculate if Josh Allen was the #1 quarterback on our board.  The trade-up for Tremaine Edmunds came totally out of nowhere just a few picks later.

 

 

What I would say is:

 

1. While you are right that not a lot has leaked out of One Bills Drive under this regime in terms of *pre-draft* there has been information that has got out *post-draft* - whether that be in 2018 that Rosen and Mayfield were off their board, whether it is in 2020 that Kyle Dugger was their guy if he made it to their pick or whether it was last year when their own insider Chris Brown let slip that that they were, indeed, high on Travis Etienne. And that isn't unusual, it's pretty common around the league, people talk to people. 

 

2. While there might not have been loads of mocking and lots of noise about Rousseau last year, I don't think it was hard to work out. Brandon Beane isn't very good at speaking without saying anything. Sean McDermott is a master of the art but Brandon is pretty straight up and without meaning to he tells you things if you are just willing to read between the lines a bit. I got it down to Rousseau or Etienne last year simply by reading into what Brandon told us he was going to do. I have a screenshot from a discord chat with a Chiefs fan that day where I said our pick would be one of those two guys. In 2019 I said all the way through draft season if Ed Oliver got to #9 the Bills were picking him (I didn't expect him to fall to them). I wasn't the least bit surprised when he was the pick. 

 

I repeat that I am not saying Etienne was above Rousseau on their board, but had Rousseau been gone and Etienne been there I think he'd have been the pick. Smokescreens pre-draft are one thing but the information that came out post draft is another. Nor do I believe that because the Bills liked Etienne they must like Breece Hall. That is a logical fallacy to me. Etienne had a very specific skillset of being a home run hitter from anywhere on the field and that was something Beane talked about relentlessly last offseason. Hall is a different type of prospect and indeed the Bills haven't quite focussed on that "home run hitter" stuff so much this offseason. 

[4merper4mer]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What I would say is:

 

1. While you are right that not a lot has leaked out of One Bills Drive under this regime in terms of *pre-draft* there has been information that has got out *post-draft* - whether that be in 2018 that Rosen and Mayfield were off their board, whether it is in 2020 that Kyle Dugger was their guy if he made it to their pick or whether it was last year when their own insider Chris Brown let slip that that they were, indeed, high on Travis Etienne. And that isn't unusual, it's pretty common around the league, people talk to people. 

 

2. While there might not have been loads of mocking and lots of noise about Rousseau last year, I don't think it was hard to work out. Brandon Beane isn't very good at speaking without saying anything. Sean McDermott is a master of the art but Brandon is pretty straight up and without meaning to he tells you things if you are just willing to read between the lines a bit. I got it down to Rousseau or Etienne last year simply by reading into what Brandon told us he was going to do. I have a screenshot from a discord chat with a Chiefs fan that day where I said our pick would be one of those two guys. In 2019 I said all the way through draft season if Ed Oliver got to #9 the Bills were picking him (I didn't expect him to fall to them). I wasn't the least bit surprised when he was the pick. 

 

I repeat that I am not saying Etienne was above Rousseau on their board, but had Rousseau been gone and Etienne been there I think he'd have been the pick. Smokescreens pre-draft are one thing but the information that came out post draft is another. Nor do I believe that because the Bills liked Etienne they must like Breece Hall. That is a logical fallacy to me. Etienne had a very specific skillset of being a home run hitter from anywhere on the field and that was something Beane talked about relentlessly last offseason. Hall is a different type of prospect and indeed the Bills haven't quite focussed on that "home run hitter" stuff so much this offseason. 

Given you are 6 hours ahead of us can you just go ahead and tell this board what happens?  We won’t say anything we swear.

[Solomon Grundy]

47 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Jets and Deebo trade is still possible.  Jets are apparently waiting to see who falls to them at 10 before making a decision. 

 

QB's being crap or not, having Tyreek and Deebo would be a lot to ask of Dane while Tre is out 

The investment in Von Miller should help Dane’s cause

[PetermansRedemption]

9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

The investment in Von Miller should help Dane’s cause

Especially with the QBs in this division. Luckily they aren’t exactly world beaters. 

[Bill from NYC]

8 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Although I agree in general and prefer other players to Hall, your argument is something that can be twisted in any direction.  In 2016 the Bills waited until later to  pick RB Jonathan Williams because they “needed” DE and took Shaq Lawson.  Had they prioritized RB they could have taken Derrick Henry and “settled” for Yannick Ngakoue.  We wouldn’t even have had to pass over the great Reggie Ragland.

 

The point is you can do this comparison for any two positions in either direction all day long.  Five years from now fans of 31 teams will be complaining they passed 4 times on some guy drafted this Saturday in round 5.  That guy might be a QB, RB, DE or maybe even one of each.  It’s Beane’s job to discern which PLAYERS are more likely to help the Bills short and long term.  Shirley this takes into account what position they play but cannot be reliant on only that. 
 

With all that said I am also guilty of positional bias as I want the Bills to draft corner at all costs tonight, possibly even trading up.  I make no claims about how the pick will work out beyond its impact on @Bill from NYC That alone makes it a steal.

Thanks for the mention. How kind of you to mention me in such a flattering way. You sure do seem to know tons about football. In that sense, I will miss your kind comments and great insights after I block you.  

I do hope that you become a happier person.

[somnus00]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

So by drafting a corner in round one, that means he will be a pro bowler?  That logic isn’t sound. Once the top dogs are gone, the rest have flaws. Don’t force the pick just cause you “need” one. That’s how you end up making a bad pick. 

That is a completely dishonest interpretation of what I wrote. I was trying to be civil in this discussion with you. I didn't say that at all if you read my statement.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

So by drafting a corner in round one, that means he will be a pro bowler?  That logic isn’t sound. Once the top dogs are gone, the rest have flaws. Don’t force the pick just cause you “need” one. That’s how you end up making a bad pick. 

That wasn’t his logic.

[4merper4mer]

28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thanks for the mention. How kind of you to mention me in such a flattering way. You sure do seem to know tons about football. In that sense, I will miss your kind comments and great insights after I block you.  

I do hope that you become a happier person.

Geez dude it was just for fun.

[Shake_My_Head]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

There's absolutely zero shot that their draft decisions are well known in the building - at least where every player is aware. Especially pending free agents months in advance of the draft.

 

I'm sorry, but it doesn't work this way. 

Wallace has been living on borrowed time for a while (i.e., the tallest midget in the circus).   I suspect it's highly likely the position groups pick up vibes and gosip inside the building more than we outsiders can know.     And has a feel for when the coaching staff would like better players at certain positions.  

[JGMcD2]

5 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Wallace has been living on borrowed time for a while (i.e., the tallest midget in the circus).   I suspect it's highly likely the position groups pick up vibes and gosip inside the building more than we outsiders can know.     And has a feel for when the coaching staff would like better players at certain positions.  

What about Beane and McDermott being here for 5 years with next to zero leaked information gives you an idea that vibes and gossips goes around in the building? 
 

Being an insider, in a different organization, I can promise you that what you’re describing doesn’t happen like you’re describing it. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by JGMcD2

[Shake_My_Head]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

What about Beane and McDermott being here for 5 years with next to zero leaked information gives you an idea that vibes and gossips goes around in the building? 
 

Being an insider, in a different organization, I can promise you that what you’re describing doesn’t happen like you’re describing it. 

 

I'm not talking about leaks. 

 

I'm talking about workplace dynamics, player observations, coaching staff remarks, criticism, praise, etc.   That gets picked up in any work environment, including locker rooms.   

 

Employees know when management favors/trusts certain individuals, when they don't have much confidence in someone, when the time to start working on their resume is near.   Wallace probably knows McD wants an upgrade at his position--and this draft was probably going to bring in his replacement.   

 

Better to go somewhere else where the new team dosn't (yet) see all the warts and birthmarks, rather than sticking around and having a high probability of getting benched or cut.

 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I’m hoping for Skyy Moore WR or Penning OT. Some very good WR’s could drop to us. More weapons more better.