NFL Draft Rumors

[JGMcD2]

22 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

The thing that makes me really believe that running back is NOT a smokescreen is that we made an actual play on JD McKissic. That can’t be faked. We literally offered him 4.5 million a year to be our pass catching specialist out of the backfield.

 

To those who are opposed to Hall in round 1 because he would take the ball out of Allen’s hands…really?  McKissic is a pass catching back that caught 100 balls in a season. Hall is a pass catching running back who also runs really well when needed. He’s also good in pass pro. To me, he’s exactly what the Bills have been looking for. 

$4.5M/year over two years in free agency is extremely different than weighing the opportunity cost in RD1 of drafting a RB vs. a cost controlled player at a premium position. 
 

McKissic himself was a UDFA. He’s a pass catching specialist, so there isn’t a worry about him taking the ball out of Josh’s hands, he’s an extension of Josh as he is a pass catcher. Hall may be a similar profile, but it doesn’t change the issue of the value lost by selecting a RB early. 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

The thing that makes me really believe that running back is NOT a smokescreen is that we made an actual play on JD McKissic. That can’t be faked. We literally offered him 4.5 million a year to be our pass catching specialist out of the backfield.

 

To those who are opposed to Hall in round 1 because he would take the ball out of Allen’s hands…really?  McKissic is a pass catching back that caught 100 balls in a season. Hall is a pass catching running back who also runs really well when needed. He’s also good in pass pro. To me, he’s exactly what the Bills have been looking for. 

You are literally exaggerating to make a point.  
 

We literally offered him 3.5M per year

28 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

I don’t see them going RB, it will be the best CB available.  Unless there is run on that position and there isn’t a 1st round graded CB left.

 

Yes, Tre injury plays into it.  As far as Wallace, I don’t think the Bills tried too hard to keep him.  His play in the playoffs was not good.  And let’s not forget about Taron Johnson.  Got a nice pay bump last year and is scheduled to make 4.5 million this season and Levi’s on the Steelers books for 2.5 million.  I feel if Beane wanted to keep Wallace, that move would have happened early last season.  Instead they paid Taron.

There’s a very good chance that there won’t be a first round talent on the board when we pick.  At any position.  Jmo

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

Final day of rumors from Charlie Campbell includes some “second hand” info

 

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2022-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Thursday

This didn't come from Tom Donahoe via Merrill Reese, did it?  Believing anything out of the Philly camp Ertz...

😁

[RichRiderBills]

32 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Let's think about this as an example - did Rousseau help the team more than Etienne would have? My answer is a "yes". The run game may have been somewhat better but blocking would have restricted Etienne's effectiveness anyway. Hence, even if we had the choice, Rousseau would still have been the better choice. 

Fast forward to today - in the first round, a lockdown corner, fast/YAC WR or even a stud OT would help the team this year a whole lot more than a RB would. 

 

Not sure I have enough info as Etienne got hurt and Groot was rotational. 

 

That being said, I like Groot and am damn happy we took him. Word is Groot is already beefing up like an animal.

[BADOLBILZ]

26 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

The thing that makes me really believe that running back is NOT a smokescreen is that we made an actual play on JD McKissic. That can’t be faked. We literally offered him 4.5 million a year to be our pass catching specialist out of the backfield.

 

To those who are opposed to Hall in round 1 because he would take the ball out of Allen’s hands…really?  McKissic is a pass catching back that caught 100 balls in a season. Hall is a pass catching running back who also runs really well when needed. He’s also good in pass pro. To me, he’s exactly what the Bills have been looking for. 

 

McKissic was a college WR who didn't have the speed/explosion to play the position in the NFL..........so they converted him to RB.

 

Hall is a 700 carry RB who caught some passes in college.

 

Two totally different players.

 

James Cook is a low mileage RB who is much more in line with McKissic in terms of skillset.

 

But as I mentioned before...........the inefficiency in the draft market is an excess of WR's who don't have the combination of size or speed or deep ball skills to crack a WR corps in the NFL but could be converted into a pass catching RB like McKissic.

 

I was hoping to see them use McKenzie like that last year after he had to settle for a vet minimum deal...........but even though it would be good for his bank account to become a JD McKissic type I don't think he has the physicality to handle the RB touches.   

 

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Not sure I have enough info as Etienne got hurt and Groot was rotational. 

 

That being said, I like Groot and am damn happy we took him. Word is Groot is already beefing up like an animal.

 

Definitely way too early to evaluate. 

 

I do think Etienne has more value than "just" a RB.  Dude is a playmaker at RB and Slot.

 

Rousseau was going to take time as a raw DE, but he has a ton of potential and if he ever lives up to it for us - I don't care how good Etienne is - Rousseau is the better pick by miles. 

[whorlnut]

31 minutes ago, mannc said:

You’re overlooking the fact that a perfectly reasonable McKissic replacement can be found in rounds 2-5 in practically every draft, including this one…

 Corner 2 can also be found later. 

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

$4.5M/year over two years in free agency is extremely different than weighing the opportunity cost in RD1 of drafting a RB vs. a cost controlled player at a premium position. 

 

 

You have to look at round 1 like spending $20M aav on a player in free agency, IMO.

 

It's one of your few chances to get a high ceiling premium position player outside of the rare incidence in free agency when they are available without a bunch of warts.

 

If you wouldn't view that player's ceiling as being worth that much money..........then pass.

 

If none of them are.........you trade out.

 

The Breece Hall rumors make no sense..........this is a guy at a low value position who could actually fall to round 3 even..........we've seen this with RB's over and over.

 

If the Bills are floating this out there......which we don't know........then maybe what they are really advertising is that they are WIDE OPEN for business on a trade back and might be willing to take less than board value to do it.     Because teams know a RB there is bad value and not a need.

[whorlnut]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You are literally exaggerating to make a point.  
 

We literally offered him 3.5M per year

There’s a very good chance that there won’t be a first round talent on the board when we pick.  At any position.  Jmo

I am “literally” picking up in the sarcasm. You don’t have to be like that. Make your point and move on…

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I am “literally” picking up in the sarcasm. You don’t have to be like that. Make your point and move on…

My bad.  I’ve never seen you be snarky before.  

[thenorthremembers]

Fully expect the team to move up or out of the pick.  Corner two on this team has never been a position where they've thrown premium picks or big money at.  Dont expect them to change now.   This team does well because they dont pick for need.

 

If the pick is a runningback I assume they move back.   That said, I can for sure see them moving up a few picks for an elite playmaker.   Thats it thats the rumor.  

[davefan66]

1 hour ago, BillsSbSoon said:

About levi, thats fair but beane was clearly pissed talking about it during the mckissic deal. They wouldve kept him had that whole thing not happened the way it did. 

Maybe.  But he must have been at the bottom of the list to keep if a gadget RB is who kept them from resigning Wallace.

[Shake_My_Head]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Maybe.  But he must have been at the bottom of the list to keep if a gadget RB is who kept them from resigning Wallace.

IDK if they're related.   Wallace wasn't wearing red, white and blue underware when he decided to sign a contract.    

[davefan66]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

You are literally exaggerating to make a point.  
 

We literally offered him 3.5M per year

There’s a very good chance that there won’t be a first round talent on the board when we pick.  At any position.  Jmo

Even though it’s supposed to be a deep draft this year, it’s pretty top heavy in the first round.  I agree Beane may drop back or out of the first round.  

 

Trading back gives them more picks = more players.  Not like it used to be we when we needed to load up on as many players as possible because our roster was so weak.  These guys will be backups and PS.  We did get raided for a few players on the PS last season.

[PaattMaann]

Just now, davefan66 said:

Even though it’s supposed to be a deep draft this year, it’s pretty top heavy in the first round.  I agree Beane may drop back or out of the first round.  

 

Trading back gives them more picks = more players.  Not like it used to be we when we needed to load up on as many players as possible because our roster was so weak.  These guys will be backups and PS.  We did get raided for a few players on the PS last season.

 

With the logic of trading back getting us more picks and players...why do that if we just lose those players like you say? I could see a trade back out of the first round and then package those picks to move back up and have 2/3 picks in the top 45/50. 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Even though it’s supposed to be a deep draft this year, it’s pretty top heavy in the first round.  I agree Beane may drop back or out of the first round.  

 

Trading back gives them more picks = more players.  Not like it used to be we when we needed to load up on as many players as possible because our roster was so weak.  These guys will be backups and PS.  We did get raided for a few players on the PS last season.

I agree.  If Booth isn’t there, we should probably trade back if possible

[davefan66]

10 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

IDK if they're related.   Wallace wasn't wearing red, white and blue underware when he decided to sign a contract.    

😂

 

I also think he knew there was going to be competition at CB and he wasn’t guaranteed a starting job by resigning.

 

Good dude, good player in the right position.  Just not full time starter.  He was not good in the playoffs.

 

9 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

With the logic of trading back getting us more picks and players...why do that if we just lose those players like you say? I could see a trade back out of the first round and then package those picks to move back up and have 2/3 picks in the top 45/50. 

Might be what they are looking at for sure.  Although, any way they can stock the team to get to 90 for camp, they will do.  And you never know if a 4th round guy excels.
 

No matter who’s on the PS, they are at risk to be plucked by another team.

[Shake_My_Head]

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

I also think he knew there was going to be competition at CB and he wasn’t guaranteed a starting job by resigning.

Yep.  Levi most likely suspected they were going CB2 with either pick #25 or #57.    That's probably been well known inside the building for a while.

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

My own memory had plenty buzz about Groot to Buff in many mocks. Not sure much came from OBD.

 

Sure.  The mock drafts had us taking an Edge Rusher or Cornerback, since those were our biggest perceived needs.

None of it was based on any kind of inside information.

Nobody had a clue who the Bills were actually interested in, until suddenly a week or so before the draft.  Then all these rumors started about Travis Etienne, and people started running with it.

 

 

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

I strongly doubt fake buzz came from OBD to get teams to reach or move up. That seems totally unsubstantiated.

 

There is no evidence the Bills were ever really interested in Etienne at #30.  There is also no evidence the rumors were fake.

It's all just fans trying to read the tea-leaves, after the fact.

 

We do know that teams purposely float false info into the media, hoping it can give them an advantage.  I don't see any reason why the Bills wouldn't do something like that too. 

• By making teams think you are interested in a player (Etienne), it could prompt someone to trade-up to get them.  That pushes your true target (Rousseau) down a spot and gives you a better chance to getting them.
• If teams know who you are targeting, they may be prompted to try and trade-ahead of you.  It's a great reason to hide your real intentions.

 

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

But on that note, don't think we really had a ton of buzz on Etienne that he was a Bill for sure. Most of this came after or during the actual draft. 

 

The week of the draft, Etienne was the hottest name surrounding this team.

I think a lot of people on this board will remember that well.

 

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

A solid amount of RBs have been taken in round 1 the past 10 years. Teams will pull the trigger. Honestly the bust rate of RBs in round 1 vs positions like WR is probably even less.

 

Nobody knows if Beane would be willing to draft a Running Back in Round 1... until he actually does it.

Don't forget he did come from an organization (Carolina) that drafted Christian McCaffrey, Johnathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams in the 1st Round during his tenure with the team.  He wasn't the primary decision-maker, but it's definitely food for thought.

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

6 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Don't forget he did come from an organization (Carolina) that drafted Christian McCaffrey, Johnathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams in the 1st Round during his tenure with the team. 

All of them were good contributors for their organization