What are your expectations for the rookie Beane drafts in the 1st round this year?

[intimidatortj]

Do you think Beane can draft a prospect this year that will have a rookie year better than, equal to, or worse than the following?

 

• Shaq Lawson
• Tre' White
• Tremaine Edmunds
• Ed Oliver
• Greg Rousseau

 

If Beane drafts a rookie that plays equivalent to what #9 pick Ed Oliver did as a rookie, would you be happy?
(Remember he started out very slow...not "starting" quite a few games early on)
How about Shaq's rookie year?  Would you be happy with that?
Tremaine?  Rousseau?

 

I think we have to keep in mind that many 1st round picks just don't move the needle as much as we hope.

IMO if we draft a DB that plays close to what Tre' White did as a rookie, I would be happy.

If instead the rookie only plays up to what Ed Oliver, Rousseau, Edmunds or Shaq did, I would be a bit disappointed.

 

PS the best 1st round pick was probably trading the pick to get Stefon Diggs.  Diggs first year in Buffalo was pretty darn good.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

You’re likely to be disappointed then.

[Putin]

I guess the only position that could make an impact as a rookie is a RB or CB 

[intimidatortj]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You’re likely to be disappointed then.

Fans put too much hope on the 1st round pick.  When you are picking 25th, getting an elite play maker is a tall order.

 

 

 

[Southern_Bills]

If it's a RB, I'd expect a lot honestly, if that isn't the expectation don't draft him.

 

If it's a CB, round into starter level play by the end of the season/playoff stretch. 

 

Any other position, good luck with getting snaps.

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, intimidatortj said:

Fans put too much hope on the 1st round pick.  When you are picking 25th, getting an elite play maker is a tall order.

 

 

 

[intimidatortj]

12 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

If it's a RB, I'd expect a lot honestly, if that isn't the expectation don't draft him.

 

If it's a CB, round into starter level play by the end of the season/playoff stretch. 

 

Any other position, good luck with getting snaps.

Well said.  👍

[Doc Brown]

If we go CB it's not unreasonable to think he can be as good as Tre White was his rookie year.

[MJS]

It's always hard for a rookie to make a significant impact on a contending team. It happens, but it's not something anyone should be banking on.

[Augie]

PLEASE just bring on the draft! 

[John from Riverside]

The good news is this team could pretty much march in the battle right now and be ready for anybody

[Shaw66]

37 minutes ago, intimidatortj said:

Do you think Beane can draft a prospect this year that will have a rookie year better than, equal to, or worse than the following?

 

• Shaq Lawson
• Tre' White
• Tremaine Edmunds
• Ed Oliver
• Greg Rousseau

 

If Beane drafts a rookie that plays equivalent to what #9 pick Ed Oliver did as a rookie, would you be happy?
(Remember he started out very slow...not "starting" quite a few games early on)
How about Shaq's rookie year?  Would you be happy with that?
Tremaine?  Rousseau?

 

I think we have to keep in mind that many 1st round picks just don't move the needle as much as we hope.

IMO if we draft a DB that plays close to what Tre' White did as a rookie, I would be happy.

If instead the rookie only plays up to what Ed Oliver, Rousseau, Edmunds or Shaq did, I would be a bit disappointed.

 

PS the best 1st round pick was probably trading the pick to get Stefon Diggs.  Diggs first year in Buffalo was pretty darn good.

I expect the first round pick (assuming he's taken at 25), will see decent playing time, if not start at the beginning of the season.  By November, I expect him to be a starter or regular rotation player, and I expect him to make some plays that have impact. 

 

Part of McDermott's process is that the team is always a fairly veteran team, and what they learn from year to year to year carries over.   McDermott said once during his first year that once he has his team and system in place, the team quickly raises new comers to the team's level of play.  Beane is looking for guys who compete and who have a serious team orientation, guys who will willingly work to get to the level of play of the rest of the team.  White and Edmunds, and Shaq didn't have a veteran team to pull them up, and Oliver didn't have an established Dline to move into.  

 

If the Bills draft a first round calibre D tackle, for example, he's going to moving into a veteran Dline, not necessarily guys who have been here but who will fit in themselves pretty easily.  Same with a corner, a receiver, or an offensive linemen.   

 

So, I expect the guy to play and contribute. That's how the system is supposed to work.   Second and third round guys should play late in the season, also.   These guys are talented, and the Bills know who to integrate new guys with talent. 

36 minutes ago, Putin said:

I guess the only position that could make an impact as a rookie is a RB or CB 

Guard could.  Defensive tackle could.  Edge could.  Wideout could.  Tight end could.  

[NewEra]

It depends on the player they choose.  I just hope they take the best player available at a relative position of need.  If it happens to be a position where they are a backup for a bit, so be it.  I’ll just hope that they have considerable upside and a plan.  Then wait and see.

[longtimebillsfan]

Ideally, we move up in the first round and draft a game ready cb that can contribute immediately. 

[GolfandBills]

3 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Ideally, we move up in the first round and draft a game ready cb that can contribute immediately. 

There will be game ready CBs at 25 and rounds 2/3

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You’re likely to be disappointed then.

 

Is that not the story of a teenage boy?  🤷‍♂️

 

What you don’t know is…..it’s not over. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, intimidatortj said:

Do you think Beane can draft a prospect this year that will have a rookie year better than, equal to, or worse than the following?

 

• Shaq Lawson
• Tre' White
• Tremaine Edmunds
• Ed Oliver
• Greg Rousseau

 

If Beane drafts a rookie that plays equivalent to what #9 pick Ed Oliver did as a rookie, would you be happy?
(Remember he started out very slow...not "starting" quite a few games early on)
How about Shaq's rookie year?  Would you be happy with that?
Tremaine?  Rousseau?

 

I think we have to keep in mind that many 1st round picks just don't move the needle as much as we hope.

IMO if we draft a DB that plays close to what Tre' White did as a rookie, I would be happy.

If instead the rookie only plays up to what Ed Oliver, Rousseau, Edmunds or Shaq did, I would be a bit disappointed.

 

PS the best 1st round pick was probably trading the pick to get Stefon Diggs.  Diggs first year in Buffalo was pretty darn good.

 

 

Would be nice to get Greg Rousseau-like production.

 

Rousseau hit a rookie wall as a pass rusher.........the difference between his play early in the season in KC when he had that great interception.......versus in the playoffs was literally enough to decide both games.

 

But that's exactly why it's foolish to rely on rookies to address your biggest needs on a championship roster.

 

Fans expecting 20 games of contest changing play from pick #25 are asking A WHOLE LOT more of the pick than they can reasonably expect.

 

And that shouldn't be the objective of a 1st round pick..........that should be too find a long term asset at a position you would have to pay $20M-$30M aav to get on the open market 3-5 years down the road.    Franchise building blocks.

 

But Rousseau was actually also really good.........almost the exception.........he lead all NFL defensive lineman in total run stops despite only playing 49% of his teams snaps.

[Richard Noggin]

The football answer to your question depends on the simple answer to THIS question: which ACTUAL player are we talking about? Until we know that, then this discussion is just a way of reshaping old narratives.

[BillsFanForever19]

42 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

There will be game ready CBs at 25 and rounds 2/3

 

25, yes. Even if we have to settle on a Kyler Gordon, Kaiir Elam, or Daxton Hill (if Beane is okay with a Safety/Nickel CB projecting to Outside CB in the Pros). Rounds 2 and 3? I don't think so unless we move up from 57. Gordon, Elam, Hill, McCreary, and Woolen are all gone by then in most Mock simulations I've done. 

 

Could someone overachieve? Of course. But I'm not throwing Martin Emerson or Cam Taylor-Britt out there to start, alongside one of these leftovers in FA, and Dane Jackson and feeling good about it.

Edited April 25, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[billybrew1]

2 hours ago, intimidatortj said:

Do you think Beane can draft a prospect this year that will have a rookie year better than, equal to, or worse than the following?

 

• Shaq Lawson
• Tre' White
• Tremaine Edmunds
• Ed Oliver
• Greg Rousseau

 

If Beane drafts a rookie that plays equivalent to what #9 pick Ed Oliver did as a rookie, would you be happy?
(Remember he started out very slow...not "starting" quite a few games early on)
How about Shaq's rookie year?  Would you be happy with that?
Tremaine?  Rousseau?

 

I think we have to keep in mind that many 1st round picks just don't move the needle as much as we hope.

IMO if we draft a DB that plays close to what Tre' White did as a rookie, I would be happy.

If instead the rookie only plays up to what Ed Oliver, Rousseau, Edmunds or Shaq did, I would be a bit disappointed.

 

PS the best 1st round pick was probably trading the pick to get Stefon Diggs.  Diggs first year in Buffalo was pretty darn good.

I’ll take Josh Allen.