TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - Completed!

[Virgil]

11 minutes ago, wppete said:

just having a little fun 😊, don’t get so defensive… I think when the real draft happens Thibodeaux drops out of the top 10-15. Should be interesting. 

 

Now that is a very bold prediction.  I've seen him slide to 7-9 in a few mocks, but 10-15 would be interesting

[MrEpsYtown]

Let me preface this by saying that I think that the Texans are going to take Gardner, as there is a lot of smoke there. In an effort to shake up this draft so it is different from 1.0…also if it were me I would do: 

 

With the third pick of the TSW NFL Draft 2.0, the Texans select Travon Walker, DE, Georgia. 

 

Lovie Smith’s Tampa 2 defense has many strengths and weaknesses and what I had to consider was whether or not sacks are more important than corner play. Their Tampa 2 is a bit different from what we do here in Buffalo, as corners can’t just sit in a zone. Think bend but don't break Dick Jauron. However, I think the most important thing for Lovie Smith is to have a player who can get to the quarterback. Bend but don’t break doesn’t work without pressure. The Texans really like Greenard, but Walker gives them a somewhat raw specimen who has a ton of size, athleticism, and length. Walker is also a squeaky clean prospect and has a super high motor in pursuit and defends the run. Walker may be seen by some as a bit of a reach, but I think we are only scratching the surface of what he can do as a full time end in a 4-3. I think that in the end he will go in the top 5.

 

 

With that the New Jersey Jests and @Big Blitz are now on the clock. 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by MrEpsYtown

[wppete]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Now that is a very bold prediction.  I've seen him slide to 7-9 in a few mocks, but 10-15 would be interesting

Yeah I think the players to keep an eye on dropping will be Thibodeaux, and Stingley. 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

Yeah I think the players to keep an eye on dropping will be Thibodeaux, and Stingley. 

 

If Stingley falls, I think that is the guy the Bills would trade up for. JMO

[Virgil]

@Big Blitz informed me that he has a trade offer.  Please stay tuned

[buffalobillswin]

Panthers are looking to trade down but not out of the top 15 if anyone is interested. 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, wppete said:

just having a little fun 😊, don’t get so defensive… I think when the real draft happens Thibodeaux drops out of the top 10-15. Should be interesting. 

talk about a bold move…..being so naive to smokescreens.  

[Virgil]

Just now, NewEra said:

talk about a bold move…..being so naive to smokescreens.  

 

I don't know if this is one of them, only because I've seen him slipping for a few months now.  If it were only in the past week or so, I'd agree.

 

Plus, don't the smokescreens usually come from a team saying who they like or don't like, position wise.  Usually rumors about a specific player from the media, without relation to a team, are more accurate.

 

Who knows

[Virgil]

Trade Alert:

 

The New Orleans Saints have trade their #16 and #19 pick to the New York Jets for the #4 Pick.

 

With the 4th pick in the TSW Mock Draft, the New Orleans Saints select QB Malik Willis, QB, Liberty.

 

GM - We went back and forth about when the right time to take our QB would be, but ultimately decided to get ahead of the Panthers and other teams who might trade up.  Malik has all the tools to be a top tier talent and will be able to sit for a year as the Saints continue their roster alignment.  We thought about Baker, but we already have a crowded QB depth chart and would be tough to evaluate him in a year before making a decision on his future.  We always knew we were going to trade up for a QB after the Philly deal, we just didn't know how high to jump.

 

The New York Giants @wppeteare on the clock

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I don't know if this is one of them, only because I've seen him slipping for a few months now.  If it were only in the past week or so, I'd agree.

 

Plus, don't the smokescreens usually come from a team saying who they like or don't like, position wise.  Usually rumors about a specific player from the media, without relation to a team, are more accurate.

 

Who knows

 

He said he wants to be the next Jadeveon Clowney..like really? Disappointing journeyman career? There is some weird stuff there. 

[wppete]

With the fifth pick of the TSW NFL Draft 2.0, the NY Giants select Sauce Gardner, CB, Cincinnati.

 

Think Gardner will be a star in the league and the Giants are lucky to get him at #5. Looks like the Giants will be going with a heavy man defense and Gardner will be the corner stone for a long time. Unique size and skills. 
 

The Panthers and @buffalobillswin are on the clock. 
 

@Virgil

 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by wppete

[hjnick]

@Virgil Picks 16 and 19 went to the Jets correct?

 

[Virgil]

Just now, hjnick said:

@Virgil Picks 16 and 19 went to the Jets correct?

 

 

Yes sir.  There's a trade recap at the bottom of the original post of the thread

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I don't know if this is one of them, only because I've seen him slipping for a few months now.  If it were only in the past week or so, I'd agree.

 

Plus, don't the smokescreens usually come from a team saying who they like or don't like, position wise.  Usually rumors about a specific player from the media, without relation to a team, are more accurate.

 

Who knows

Yeah….you’ve seen him slipping in mock drafts.  Where do the mock draft experts get their information and predict the slipping of players?  Are the mock draft experts predicting that he will slip because of his mouth or because they’ve been hearing that teams are scared of his mouth?  
 

Daniel Jeremiah said that teams have concerns….where does that come from?

https://www.sportscasting.com/nfl-draft-analyst-argues-kayvon-thibodeauxs-goofy-excuses-could-hurt-stock/

 

McShay says teams have concerns 

https://www.si.com/college/oregon/.amp/football/kayvon-thibodeaux-latest-duck-to-face-confusing-criticism-ahead-of-2022-nfl-draft

 

Tony Pauline

https://www.sportscasting.com/nfl-draft-analyst-argues-kayvon-thibodeauxs-goofy-excuses-could-hurt-stock/

 

giants reportedly concerned…..that’s not a potential smokescreen?

https://elitesportsny.com/2022/04/14/giants-reportedly-concerned-kayvon-thibodeaux-focused-on-brand-not-football/amp/

yahoo talks to execs picking in the top 5

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-oregons-kayvon-thibodeaux-isnt-the-top-five-lock-some-might-assume-164710126.html

 

i could link several other articles but I’d rather not waste any more time on this subject.

 

those are potential smokescreens.  Do you think that a smokescreen is an NFL GM coming out and saying they don’t want to draft said player?  Every little nugget from  “a Senior level executive” are potential smokescreens.  Many credible mock draft experts get information from employees within nfl front offices.  Any and every bit of information received has the potential of being a smokescreen. 

 

[Virgil]

Just now, NewEra said:

Yeah….you’ve seen him slipping in mock drafts.  Where do the mock draft experts get their information and predict the slipping of players?  Are the mock draft experts predicting that he will slip because of his mouth or because they’ve been hearing that teams are scared of his mouth?  
 

Daniel Jeremiah said that teams have concerns….where does that come from?

https://www.sportscasting.com/nfl-draft-analyst-argues-kayvon-thibodeauxs-goofy-excuses-could-hurt-stock/

 

McShay says teams have concerns 

https://www.si.com/college/oregon/.amp/football/kayvon-thibodeaux-latest-duck-to-face-confusing-criticism-ahead-of-2022-nfl-draft

 

Tony Pauline

https://www.sportscasting.com/nfl-draft-analyst-argues-kayvon-thibodeauxs-goofy-excuses-could-hurt-stock/

 

giants reportedly concerned…..that’s not a potential smokescreen?

https://elitesportsny.com/2022/04/14/giants-reportedly-concerned-kayvon-thibodeaux-focused-on-brand-not-football/amp/

yahoo talks to execs picking in the top 5

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-oregons-kayvon-thibodeaux-isnt-the-top-five-lock-some-might-assume-164710126.html

 

i could link several other articles but I’d rather not waste any more time on this subject.

 

those are potential smokescreens.  Do you think that a smokescreen is an NFL GM coming out and saying they don’t want to draft said player?  Every little nugget from  “a Senior level executive” are potential smokescreens.  Many credible mock draft experts get information from employees within nfl front offices.  Any and every bit of information received has the potential of being a smokescreen. 

 

 

I get what you're saying and agree that all rumors come from NFL Teams on some level.  I'm just saying that how it's presented is usually the key.  If I see a rumor older than a month before the draft, that talks about a player and not tied to any team, I think that typically pans out more than if it refers to a team being interested/not interested in someone.

 

The rumors with personality or injury concerns moreso

[Philo]

18 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Yes sir.  There's a trade recap at the bottom of the original post of the thread

 

You mistakenly show the Giants with those picks further up in the OP. I believe that is what the other poster was referring to. 

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, Philo said:

 

You mistakenly show the Giants with those picks further up in the OP. I believe that is what the other poster was referring to. 

 

Thank you.  Brain is still on vacation apparently

[CNYfan]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah….you’ve seen him slipping in mock drafts.  Where do the mock draft experts get their information and predict the slipping of players?  Are the mock draft experts predicting that he will slip because of his mouth or because they’ve been hearing that teams are scared of his mouth?  
 

Daniel Jeremiah said that teams have concerns….where does that come from?

https://www.sportscasting.com/nfl-draft-analyst-argues-kayvon-thibodeauxs-goofy-excuses-could-hurt-stock/

 

McShay says teams have concerns 

https://www.si.com/college/oregon/.amp/football/kayvon-thibodeaux-latest-duck-to-face-confusing-criticism-ahead-of-2022-nfl-draft

 

Tony Pauline

https://www.sportscasting.com/nfl-draft-analyst-argues-kayvon-thibodeauxs-goofy-excuses-could-hurt-stock/

 

giants reportedly concerned…..that’s not a potential smokescreen?

https://elitesportsny.com/2022/04/14/giants-reportedly-concerned-kayvon-thibodeaux-focused-on-brand-not-football/amp/

yahoo talks to execs picking in the top 5

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-oregons-kayvon-thibodeaux-isnt-the-top-five-lock-some-might-assume-164710126.html

 

i could link several other articles but I’d rather not waste any more time on this subject.

 

those are potential smokescreens.  Do you think that a smokescreen is an NFL GM coming out and saying they don’t want to draft said player?  Every little nugget from  “a Senior level executive” are potential smokescreens.  Many credible mock draft experts get information from employees within nfl front offices.  Any and every bit of information received has the potential of being a smokescreen. 

 

 

If it were me I would take Gardner ahead of Thibodeaux 10x out of 10.   But its not me.

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

 

If it were me I would take Gardner ahead of Thibodeaux 10x out of 10.   But its not me.

I have no objection to some teams taking Gardner over him.  I have Thibodeaux rated higher but not by very much.  
 

There’s a BIG difference between taking Gardner over Thibodeaux and him falling to 10-15 like the poster I quoted had suggested.  

40 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I get what you're saying and agree that all rumors come from NFL Teams on some level.  I'm just saying that how it's presented is usually the key.  If I see a rumor older than a month before the draft, that talks about a player and not tied to any team, I think that typically pans out more than if it refers to a team being interested/not interested in someone.

 

The rumors with personality or injury concerns moreso

All potential smokescreen imo.  Anything said by any NFL FO from March til the draft could be put out there in order with hopes that it could help a player to slide to them.  

Edited April 18, 2022 by NewEra

[buffalobillswin]

The Carolina Panthers select T Ikem Ekwonu, NC State

 

QB is a need but it would be a reach at 6 and Ekwonu is too good to pass up here. 
 

@wppeteon the clock again