TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - Completed!

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, Floydboy12 said:

Hope the real Patriots aren’t as clever with their draft as you. My only question is would Pitt settle for a second for Johnson? You guys know more about veteran players worth in draft picks than me, but he really seems to have come into his own. 

I think it would be a 1st or 2nd.  Whoever takes him also has to give him a new deal.  

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Floydboy12 said:

Hope the real Patriots aren’t as clever with their draft as you. My only question is would Pitt settle for a second for Johnson? You guys know more about veteran players worth in draft picks than me, but he really seems to have come into his own. 

 

Personally I think a 2nd is too rich for him. But each to their own.

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, Floydboy12 said:

Hope the real Patriots aren’t as clever with their draft as you. My only question is would Pitt settle for a second for Johnson? You guys know more about veteran players worth in draft picks than me, but he really seems to have come into his own. 

The player needs a new contract, which always factors into these things. I tend to think it might be more like a 2nd and a conditional 5th that could become a 4th in real life, but for the purposes of this draft, there was no sense in talking late round picks. Others can feel free to weigh in, but I don’t think Johnson would fetch a 1st — particularly with his being in need of a new contract.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Personally I think a 2nd is too rich for him. But each to their own.

Agreed.  Dionte Johnson is a pretty good WR, but not a true WR1 and not someone that really requires special attention from a defense…I doubt anyone would trade a second for him, especially with his contract demands….

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, Floydboy12 said:

Hope the real Patriots aren’t as clever with their draft as you. My only question is would Pitt settle for a second for Johnson? You guys know more about veteran players worth in draft picks than me, but he really seems to have come into his own. 

I think the real question would be….is Johnson worth the money he will be asking for.  He’s really good, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable paying him over 20M a year.  Probably a 2nd + another mid round + late round pick.  

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Personally I think a 2nd is too rich for him. But each to their own.

 

Just now, mannc said:

Agreed.  Dionte Johnson is a pretty good WR, but not a true WR1 and not someone that really requires special attention from a defense…I doubt anyone would trade a second for him, especially with his contract demands….

With as bad as the Patriots have been at drafting WRs in real life, it seems like adding a guy coming off of a 100 catch, 1100 yard, 8 TD season for just a 2nd round pick would be a win for them. 
 

 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Agreed.  Dionte Johnson is a pretty good WR, but not a true WR1 and not someone that really requires special attention from a defense…I doubt anyone would trade a second for him, especially with his contract demands….

I think the jets would give up a 2nd for him if they can’t get one of the better WRs

[LEBills]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Agreed.  Dionte Johnson is a pretty good WR, but not a true WR1 and not someone that really requires special attention from a defense…I doubt anyone would trade a second for him, especially with his contract demands….

I think worth depends on the team.

 

Patriots seem like a pretty good landing spot for him because his best ability is getting open quickly off the line which helped late stage Big Ben and will probably be a good asset for Mac Jones. As Logic pointed out too, the Pats are awful at drafting WRs (Nkeal Harry over AJ brown and Metcalf) so a proven productive commodity is a little more valuable.

[H2o]

With the 22nd pick in the 2022 NFL Draft....the Philadelphia Eagles select.... Chris Olave / WR / Ohio St. 

 

We have our do everything #1 WR in DeVonta Smith. Now we have our polished route runner to go opposite of him and do it all in Olave. We liked Garrett Wilson too, but I watched a lot of Ohio St. games this year and I think Olave fits into our offense and with Smith better here. Even if, for some unforeseen reason, Olave doesn't succeed on the outside, then we surely believe he can be an elite Slot because of his route running and understanding how to leverage DB's. We love the potential he brings to the offense in multiple alignments. 

 

@Bill from NYC and the Cardinals are on the clock. 

[Logic]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

With the 22nd pick in the 2022 NFL Draft....the Philadelphia Eagles select.... Chris Olave / WR / Ohio St. 

 

We have our do everything #1 WR in DeVonta Smith. Now we have our polished route runner to go opposite of him and do it all in Olave. We liked Garrett Wilson too, but I watched a lot of Ohio St. games this year and I think Olave fits into our offense and with Smith better here. Even if, for some unforeseen reason, Olave doesn't succeed on the outside, then we surely believe he can be an elite Slot because of his route running and understanding how to leverage DB's. We love the potential he brings to the offense in multiple alignments. 

 

@Bill from NYC and the Cardinals are on the clock. 

 

Smith and Olave is about as dreamy and silky a route running duo as one could imagine. Good pick.

 

[mannc]

25 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I think it would be a 1st or 2nd.  Whoever takes him also has to give him a new deal.  

so you think someone would trade a first or second round pick for Johnson AND pay him $20 to $22 million per year?  I'll believe it when I see it. 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

so you think someone would trade a first or second round pick for Johnson AND pay him $20 to $22 million per year?  I'll believe it when I see it. 

I could see a 2nd and 17/18 mil per.  
 

He’s young, put up decent numbers on a crap team.  He has tons of potential.   
 

If we had the cap, I’d trade a 2nd for him in a heartbeat

[BillsShredder83]

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Personally I think a 2nd is too rich for him. But each to their own.

Agreed. There's just no room on a team im building, with a flashy WR who consistently drops the ball. For every 25 yac, there's one drive killing drop.

It's like the CJ Spiller of WRs. Box score showing he had 6ypc, but they were at clips of 2, 1, 15 etc the whole game. How many points does that add to the board versus take away.

[BillsFanForever19]

The flaw in this mock is with the Bills pick being a User Vote, the Bills have to stay put at 25 while all these other teams are moving up. I almost expect Beane to do the same as I don't think he's just going to sit there and hope the CB prospect he likes will fall to him at 25.

[Big Blitz]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

The flaw in this mock is with the Bills pick being a User Vote, the Bills have to stay put at 25 while all these other teams are moving up. I almost expect Beane to do the same as I don't think he's just going to sit there and hope the CB prospect he likes will fall to him at 25.

 

 

I say the team that drafted the best here which is the Jets gets to be the Bills in the next mock.  

 

😉

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

The flaw in this mock is with the Bills pick being a User Vote, the Bills have to stay put at 25 while all these other teams are moving up. I almost expect Beane to do the same as I don't think he's just going to sit there and hope the CB prospect he likes will fall to him at 25.

And that’s ok.  It’s an exercise for fun.  
 

I find a flaw in your rational.  You’re operating under the assumption that the only position Beane values in rd 1 of this draft is corner.  I don’t think that’s the case. We were “in on Gilmore up before he signed a couple days ago.  If we signed Gilmore, would we still have been corner only if we had signed him?  So now that we didn’t sign gilmore, are there any other free agents that can fill in for Tre until he returns?  Joe Haden, Kyle Fuller, Janoris Jenkins, Xavier Rhodes, jason Verrett, Bryce Callahan, AJ Bouye, Kevin King can’t be that guy?  All could possibly supplant Dane as cb2 when Tre returns.   

[Logic]

15 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Agreed. There's just no room on a team im building, with a flashy WR who consistently drops the ball. For every 25 yac, there's one drive killing drop.

It's like the CJ Spiller of WRs. Box score showing he had 6ypc, but they were at clips of 2, 1, 15 etc the whole game. How many points does that add to the board versus take away.

He dropped a lot of passes in 2020, but not last year. He wasn’t even in the top 20 in dropped passes in 2021. 
 

Stefon Diggs was, though.

 

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

[BillsShredder83]

22 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

The flaw in this mock is with the Bills pick being a User Vote, the Bills have to stay put at 25 while all these other teams are moving up. I almost expect Beane to do the same as I don't think he's just going to sit there and hope the CB prospect he likes will fall to him at 25.

I thought this for a long time, but I've arrived at my final draft conclusion. I think we go BPA + weighted values of premier position, of S, CB, MLB, WR, TE (with slight chance of OG/OT) in the 1st... and if we don't find our CB in the 1st Beane goes up in the 2nd or 3rd to make BPA match need. I just think we have too many potential openings next year to NOT handle it like this, and I don't think Beane is giving up a 1st next year on an unproven commodity.

Edited April 19, 2022 by BillsShredder83

[Virgil]

With being only 2 picks away, there’s 3 players I’d be okay with the Bills taking.  

[Big Blitz]

I mean if McDuffie, Wilson, and Hall are there at 25 I'm good.  

 

 

I like Hill, Moore, and Elam as options to.  

Edited April 19, 2022 by Big Blitz