Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 4:47 PM, John from Riverside said: The arms race in that division is going to leave a corpse of a team left standing......which we will wipe the floor with Expand AFC west will be very tough but here’s a huge problem for the team that finishes 2nd in the conference. You’re likely facing an angry battle tested AFC west 7th seed in the 1st round of the playoffs. Makes getting the 1st seed that much more important. 1 Quote
H2o Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 3:42 PM, SCBills said: People call them middling because they haven't really shown they can be a threat, and Carr doesn't scare anyone in a Conference with multiple elite QB's. Losing to the Bengals in the WC Round isn't exactly impressive...it's basically what they seem to be until further notice... a good team that will be a playoff contender, but if they make it - Carr vs (insert elite QB) becomes an issue for them. Expand True. No team goes in with a game plan of how to stop Derek Carr. But, now he has a quality offense around him. The OL is decent, Jacobs is a top 10 RB, Waller may be a top 5 TE, Renfrow has developed into one of the best Slot WR's in the NFL, and Adams is certainly a top 5 WR. Add to that Carr already has chemistry with Adams from their time together at Fresno St. and the Raiders could take a nice step forward. Sucks for them to be in the AFC West, but they have built a solid team out there. Eli Manning won multiple SB's (shout out to Eli beating the Pats, TWICE ), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles. It's not always the greatest QB winning the big game. Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 The Raiders are kind of stuck, Carr is good enough that you dont move on. I definitely think he looks like the 4th best QB in his division 1 Quote
RoyBatty is alive Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 5:42 PM, Big Blitz said: Tiers: Tier 1: Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Burrow Tier 2: Herbert, Stafford, Wilson, Lamar Tier 3: Dak, Cousins, Carr, Tannehill, Murray Tier 4: Ryan, Baker, Lawrence, Jimmy G Tier 5: Tua, Goff, Jameis, Wentz, Mac Tier 6: Fields, Hurts, Mariotta, Darnold Tier 7: Mitch, Jones, Mills, Zach Wilson, Watson Yes, Carr is a top 15 QB every week. Expand I like the ranking but one I wildly disagree with, Watson is not even close to the same category as Mitch and as for the rest in that tier. too young to make a determination. Watson belongs in Tier 1 or at worst 2 imo. 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 2:38 PM, MJS said: Is he really a star QB? Expand ....about as much as Cousins....I can't wait for the Ravens to overpay for Lamar.... Quote
Chicken Boo Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 5:42 PM, Big Blitz said: Tiers: Tier 1: Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Burrow Tier 2: Herbert, Stafford, Wilson, Lamar Tier 3: Dak, Cousins, Carr, Tannehill, Murray Tier 4: Ryan, Baker, Lawrence, Jimmy G Tier 5: Tua, Goff, Jameis, Wentz, Mac Tier 6: Fields, Hurts, Mariotta, Darnold Tier 7: Mitch, Jones, Mills, Zach Wilson, Watson Yes, Carr is a top 15 QB every week. Expand Jared Goff > Ryan Tannehill. Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 6:46 PM, Chicken Boo said: Jared Goff > Ryan Tannehill. Expand Not sure about that but Goff is at least a tier too low on that Quote
Mango Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 3:02 PM, 78thealltimegreat said: This is starting to look like the Bills signed Josh to the Dollar Store franchise quarterback deal Expand Dollars compared to other QB's isn't super comforting to me. I mean, I guess it is to feel like I have value. But his $$$ is still a very significant % of the cap going forward. Next year Allen, Diggs, and Miller together are going to take up just over 1/3 of our total cap space next year and the year after. The Bills pushed all their chips to the middle of the table this year. I am fine with it. But it will cost us in the next 2-3 years no matter what Derek Carr gets paid. Quote
Chicken Boo Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 6:51 PM, GunnerBill said: Not sure about that but Goff is at least a tier too low on that Expand Just preference. Tanne is better at improv, Goff is the better passer. 1 Quote
stinky finger Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 2:45 PM, PetermansRedemption said: Oooooffff. Good luck Vegas, middling team for life. Expand What was the alternative? 1 Quote
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 I feel bad for Josh little Rico on fantanics owes him an apology for saying Josh is paid too much and Deshawn Watson is better then Josh. Quote
BigDingus Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 2:43 PM, GunnerBill said: A star? No. I do think he is underrated though. And as discussed multiple times.... the QB market is inefficiently recognising the difference between the franchise tier and the elite tier. It is what it is. Your alternative is don't have a QB. If this is a 3 year extension onto his final year of his previous deal then that makes it 4 years at $35m per year. I think that is right about where his value is in this market. Expand Very much this. He's not "elite" tier, but he can certainly be considered one of the upper tier QB's & a "star" by some standards. We've also seen what Carr is capable of doing when healthy & with competent coaching/teammates, but people forget how much of a s*** show the Raiders have been for years. Gruden didn't help things (if anything, he set it all back once again), the lackluster personnel, his own injuries, the tough division, maybe even the relocation, probably has made Carr look more inconsistent than he really is. I'm not saying he's a Mahomes or Allen type QB, only that he's better than just an "above average QB" & can successfully be built around to win. Quote
DCofNC Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 2:44 PM, Freddie's Dead said: If Carr got that amount of jack, then we completely screwed Josh on his contract. What a steal. Expand Josh got to secure his future, the Bills took a risk after one good year, it was calculated well by both. Josh also got an exorbitant amount of guarantees (at the time), so he got what he needed. The beautiful thing for him, he’s going to re-set it all again in a few years. He signed a very smart deal. On 4/13/2022 at 6:42 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: I like the ranking but one I wildly disagree with, Watson is not even close to the same category as Mitch and as for the rest in that tier. too young to make a determination. Watson belongs in Tier 1 or at worst 2 imo. Expand Agreed, I’d have Watson at tier 2 until he’s back on the field and showing success outside of trash time. 2 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 2:43 PM, YoloinOhio said: No, he’s an above average starter that you can win with …but won’t win “because of him” if things wilt around him Expand I will say this, I wasn't too high on Carr prior to last year. However, they did win quite a few games because of him, lots of late game heroics despite the coaching turmoil and a weak group of WR's with the exception of Renfrow. So I would say this is a good extension for the Raiders, it would be hard to upgrade from him and I would say he is better than above average. More like good, but not great. Personally I would take Carr over someone like Cousins. On 4/13/2022 at 2:43 PM, GunnerBill said: A star? No. I do think he is underrated though. And as discussed multiple times.... the QB market is inefficiently recognising the difference between the franchise tier and the elite tier. It is what it is. Your alternative is don't have a QB. If this is a 3 year extension onto his final year of his previous deal then that makes it 4 years at $35m per year. I think that is right about where his value is in this market. Expand Agreed Bill...he isn't top 10, but I think he is certainly in the top 15. In no particular order, I would list them like this... Top 5: (In no particular order) Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Watson (until Watson shows me he is not top 5 on the field, I am going with what he had been before missing a year, and that was a top 5 QB, which I fully expect him to be again at some point after coming back). Top 6-10: (In no particular order) Herbert, Lamar, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford. Then I would go: 11 - Prescott 12 - Murray 13 - Carr Ryan and Cousins would round out the top 15 for me in which ever order, they are closely graded to me at this point. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 5:48 PM, Charles Romes said: so you missed tannehill’s playoff game against the Bengals? Expand Did you miss Mahomes playoff game against the Bengals? Quote
HerdMenatlity1 Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 The Raiders organization was a mess last year. GM fired, Gruden resigns, Ruggs killed someone, cb Damon Arnette had a hit and run incident. Through all of this, he guided them to the Playoffs, beating the Chargers to eliminate them and getting in themselves. That's a helluva lot to go through. He's not garbage. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 7:54 PM, Alphadawg7 said: I will say this, I wasn't too high on Carr prior to last year. However, they did win quite a few games because of him, lots of late game heroics despite the coaching turmoil and a weak group of WR's with the exception of Renfrow. So I would say this is a good extension for the Raiders, it would be hard to upgrade from him and I would say he is better than above average. More like good, but not great. Personally I would take Carr over someone like Cousins. Agreed Bill...he isn't top 10, but I think he is certainly in the top 15. In no particular order, I would list them like this... Top 5: (In no particular order) Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Watson (until Watson shows me he is not top 5 on the field, I am going with what he had been before missing a year, and that was a top 5 QB, which I fully expect him to be again at some point after coming back). Top 6-10: (In no particular order) Herbert, Lamar, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford. Then I would go: 11 - Prescott 12 - Murray 13 - Carr Ryan and Cousins would round out the top 15 for me in which ever order, they are closely graded to me at this point. Expand I'd probably swap Dak and Lamar but I can't really quibble. Those are broadly the tiers I'd have too. Quote
ALF Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 Carr stats are worth the money when good QBs are hard to find https://www.google.com/search?q=derek+carr+stats&oq=derek+ca&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i131i433i512j69i57j0i131i433i512l2j69i60l3.9038j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 8:05 PM, GunnerBill said: I'd probably swap Dak and Lamar but I can't really quibble. Those are broadly the tiers I'd have too. Expand Yeah, I think when you are in about that range there a couple guys that could slide here or there. And I wouldn't quibble over that either. Quote
Big Blitz Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 6:42 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: Watson belongs in Tier 1 or at worst 2 imo. Expand Everyone knows I'm joking about Watson right? He belongs in the Trash Tier of humans. Maybe I'll do that next...a Tier of humans.....lol Quote
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