Big Turk Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) Really good breakdown... Both threw the ball from the 42 yard line on the opposite hash... Mac Jones ball took 3.1 seconds to get 1 yard deep in the end zone. Josh Allen's ball took 2.5 seconds to get 7 yards deep in the end zone. One was an INT, the other a TD. One of these things is not like the others... Edited April 9, 2022 by Big Turk 19 1 1 8 2 Quote
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 Love it. Enjoy your career, McCorkle. 2 2 Quote
DJB Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) Interestingly the AFC east have two noodle armed starting quarterbacks in Mac Jones and Teddy Bridgewater Edited April 9, 2022 by DJB 3 Quote
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 @PatsFanNH will not like this blatant evidence. I’m sure he will stick to his guns that Belichick wants McCorkle over Allen. All kidding aside, this is exactly why guys like Jones and Fitz have the ceiling they do. They just don’t have the arm. 2 3 Quote
FireChans Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:15 PM, Big Turk said: Really good breakdown... Both threw the ball from the 42 yard line on the opposite hash... Mac Jones ball took 3.1 seconds to get 1 yard deep in the end zone. Josh Allen's ball took 2.5 seconds to get 7 yards deep in the end zone. One was an INT, the other a TD. One of these things is not like the others... Expand Lol I mean sure, but Mac’s ball a little more accurately placed outside is a TD. And Sanders was way more open. 1 4 Quote
Maybe Someday Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:35 PM, DJB said: Interestingly the AFC east have two noodle armed starting quarterbacks in Mac Jones and Jacoby Brissett Expand I think you mean Tua? Brissett plays for the Browns now and was the backup in Miami last year. Quote
Putin Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:41 PM, FireChans said: Lol I mean sure, but Mac’s ball a little more accurately placed outside is a TD. And Sanders was way more open. Expand Yes if McCorkle only had the arm to do that ha ? 1 2 1 Quote
Charles Romes Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 That’s why I was so optimistic even Josh’s rookie year. He’s so huge and his arm is so strong, that what looks like simple dump off for him is often a 25 plus yard dart downfield. 1 Quote
DJB Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:47 PM, Maybe Someday said: I think you mean Tua? Brissett plays for the Browns now and was the backup in Miami last year. Expand It was meant to be a joke but i was mistaken on Brissett / Teddy Quote
The Dean Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 Has someone actually argued that arm strength doesn't matter at all? Has zero impact? I know that arm strength is only ONE factor, but of course it matters. This seems like a straw man argument to me. 4 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted April 9, 2022 Author Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:40 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: @PatsFanNH will not like this blatant evidence. I’m sure he will stick to his guns that Belichick wants McCorkle over Allen. All kidding aside, this is exactly why guys like Jones and Fitz have the ceiling they do. They just don’t have the arm. Expand Literally no coach ever would want MJ10 over Allen. Suggesting otherwise is idiocy. On 4/9/2022 at 9:41 PM, FireChans said: Lol I mean sure, but Mac’s ball a little more accurately placed outside is a TD. And Sanders was way more open. Expand Or of the ball wasn't a Super Tecmo Bowl lollipop throw and got there a half second sooner? 1 Quote
PonyBoy Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 I agree with your video and stat post. However! Bills fans and NFL fans would say, that was a ridiculous closing speed interception & perception by Hyde!!! 1 Quote
eSJayDee Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:41 PM, FireChans said: Lol I mean sure, but Mac’s ball a little more accurately placed outside is a TD. And Sanders was way more open. Expand I don't think he was any more open. Hyde was able to close & make the INT cuz he was moving (much) faster than the ball. Sanders (still) had no one near him cuz the ball got there so quickly. More outside might/probably would've done it but throwing the ball w/ more velocity & less arc definitely would've made it impossible to make a defensive play on it. 4 Quote
TPS Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:41 PM, FireChans said: Lol I mean sure, but Mac’s ball a little more accurately placed outside is a TD. And Sanders was way more open. Expand The Pats receiver would have been "way more open" too if Mac's pass got there in 2.5 seconds instead of 3.1. 4 Quote
FireChans Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) On 4/9/2022 at 10:27 PM, Big Turk said: Literally no coach ever would want MJ10 over Allen. Suggesting otherwise is idiocy. Or of the ball wasn't a Super Tecmo Bowl lollipop throw and got there a half second sooner? Expand Yeah sure that would have helped. A more accurate ball would’ve helped too. Josh threw a dart but it was well behind Sanders. Good thing he was open and the ball got there fast. On 4/9/2022 at 10:44 PM, eSJayDee said: I don't think he was any more open. Hyde was able to close & make the INT cuz he was moving (much) faster than the ball. Sanders (still) had no one near him cuz the ball got there so quickly. More outside might/probably would've done it but throwing the ball w/ more velocity & less arc definitely would've made it impossible to make a defensive play on it. Expand Hyde is also in position because of the defensive alignment. Josh was throwing against single coverage outside. Jones was not. The Pats safety was nowhere close. On 4/9/2022 at 10:46 PM, TPS said: The Pats receiver would have been "way more open" too if Mac's pass got there in 2.5 seconds instead of 3.1. Expand Hyde made a great play but he was also helping over the top. The DB had no such help against Sanders. You can even see the safety 20 yards away. Edited April 9, 2022 by FireChans Quote
CincyBillsFan Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 10:57 PM, FireChans said: Yeah sure that would have helped. A more accurate ball would’ve helped too. Josh threw a dart but it was well behind Sanders. Good thing he was open and the ball got there fast. Hyde is also in position because of the defensive alignment. Josh was throwing against single coverage outside. Jones was not. The Pats safety was nowhere close. Hyde made a great play but he was also helping over the top. The DB had no such help against Sanders. You can even see the safety 20 yards away. Expand Allen looks off the safety and his throw is freakish in that it has very little air under it. 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 9:35 PM, DJB said: Interestingly the AFC east have two noodle armed starting quarterbacks in Mac Jones and Teddy Bridgewater Expand Two physically limited qbs and no major defensive changes after getting torched by josh Allen a bunch of times lol 1 Quote
Putin Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) On 4/9/2022 at 11:18 PM, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Two physically limited qbs and no major defensive changes after getting torched by josh Allen a bunch of times lol Expand No need for that they’ll go toe to toe with Allen ( this time 🤔) Edited April 9, 2022 by Putin Quote
FireChans Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 11:11 PM, CincyBillsFan said: Allen looks off the safety and his throw is freakish in that it has very little air under it. Expand Jones pump faked but it didn’t fool Hyde. I think it’s extremely oversimplifying it by saying it’s just arm strength is the difference between the two plays. Micah’s play was unreal. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 Here's the thing about arm strength.. it's overrated until you don't have enough It was the best attribute for John elway, and brett favre and Rodgers... The ability to uncork balls that defensive backs can't get to The velocity to whiz it past people's heads is huge at the NFL level 3 1 Quote
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