Dwayne Haskins killed [Edit: struck by vehicle]

[Beck Water]

On 4/10/2023 at 12:17 PM, KDIGGZ said:

The the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. I think some accountability is needed here and in our society as a whole. If you go out clubbing all night it's not going to take some kind of weird conspiracy situation to get you intoxicated enough to walk into oncoming traffic or a truck that has faulty brakes. But whatever it takes for them to get some money out of the insurance company I guess

 

So as I understand it, the NFLPA ended their ride service with the rise of Uber and Lyft, but Uber and Lyft and taxis are all options.

Something like 2/3 of NFL teams used to have "player protection" ride services, dunno if they're still operating.

 

A number of sports agents, as I understand it, have a 24 hr concierge service for their clients where they call a toll free number and whatever they need, the concierge will shake a tailfeather to "make it so". 

 

My car insurance has roadside assistance.  Call the number on the insurance card.

 

So many options for a wealthy young person who wants to head out for a night of fun.

 

 

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Though it’s also possible the truck driver was negligently operating his vehicle too

 

That is a possibility.  And if it's true that he declined to provide police with a blood sample, that's sketch.

 

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, if accurate that his truck had wheel and brake issues and was carrying an unreasonable load - he may not be a murderer but also share some culpability in the situation. Without knowing any of the details, declaring otherwise confidently is simply projecting your own biases on the world 

 

I can't disagree, I'm just saying that the fact that other vehicles avoided Haskins while the truck didn't doesn't mean there's a problem with the truck or its driver, trucks having different physics and ergonomics.

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So as I understand it, the NFLPA ended their ride service with the rise of Uber and Lyft, but Uber and Lyft and taxis are all options.

Something like 2/3 of NFL teams used to have "player protection" ride services, dunno if they're still operating.

 

A number of sports agents, as I understand it, have a 24 hr concierge service for their clients where they call a toll free number and whatever they need, the concierge will shake a tailfeather to "make it so". 

 

My car insurance has roadside assistance.  Call the number on the insurance card.

 

So many options for a wealthy young person who wants to head out for a night of fun.

 

 

I’ll 100% agree in the generality. Especially for a 2am crash. 
 

this one being morning after and wandering into traffic- he’s probably far beyond any type of decision making, unfortunately. And if there’s some added context, there could be blame to go around. He wouldn’t be the first wealthy guy drugged by a woman and this wouldn’t be the first messed up truck on the road. 
 

I’m not taking the lawyer at face value but to completely dismiss him isn’t fair yet either

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So as I understand it, the NFLPA ended their ride service with the rise of Uber and Lyft, but Uber and Lyft and taxis are all options.

Something like 2/3 of NFL teams used to have "player protection" ride services, dunno if they're still operating.

 

A number of sports agents, as I understand it, have a 24 hr concierge service for their clients where they call a toll free number and whatever they need, the concierge will shake a tailfeather to "make it so". 

 

My car insurance has roadside assistance.  Call the number on the insurance card.

 

So many options for a wealthy young person who wants to head out for a night of fun.

 

 

 

That is a possibility.  And if it's true that he declined to provide police with a blood sample, that's sketch.

 

 

I can't disagree, I'm just saying that the fact that other vehicles avoided Haskins while the truck didn't doesn't mean there's a problem with the truck or its driver, trucks having different physics and ergonomics.

for sure will agree that by itself hitting him when others didn’t doesn’t mean he did a single thing wrong 

[1ManRaid]

15 minutes ago, TailgateChef said:

Well done.  Great explanation.

 

I've watched a lot of Attorney Tom, a catastrophic injury lawyer on YouTube.  Basically rule #1 of understanding catastrophic injury cases is that EVERYONE even loosely related to the case gets sued.  It's not personal, or even greed in the majority of cases, that's just how they're forced to operate to do right by their clients in the current system.  The lawyer can literally be sued by their client afterwards if it comes to light that there were involved parties that didn't get included in the initial lawsuit.

[1ManRaid]

24 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

It sounds as though they're trying to blame someone - anyone.

 

I don't find it hard to believe that a handful of cars might manage to brake and avoid a pedestrian but the driver of a vehicle with less maneuverability and more mass/longer braking distance might not.  Doesn't mean it's the dump truck driver's fault.  When you're a truck driver and you know you have blind spots, you can't just swerve into another lane without risk of hitting another vehicle/losing control.

 

Still a very sad ending to Haskins' life.

 

21 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Though it’s also possible the truck driver was negligently operating his vehicle too

I mean, if accurate that his truck had wheel and brake issues and was carrying an unreasonable load - he may not be a murderer but also share some culpability in the situation. Without knowing any of the details, declaring otherwise confidently is simply projecting your own biases on the world 

 

Yeah, that's a large part of the discovery process.  A lot of these cases aren't even really about the money, and more about forcing thr issue to find out what exactly happened.

 

18 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So as I understand it, the NFLPA ended their ride service with the rise of Uber and Lyft, but Uber and Lyft and taxis are all options.

Something like 2/3 of NFL teams used to have "player protection" ride services, dunno if they're still operating.

 

A number of sports agents, as I understand it, have a 24 hr concierge service for their clients where they call a toll free number and whatever they need, the concierge will shake a tailfeather to "make it so". 

 

My car insurance has roadside assistance.  Call the number on the insurance card.

 

So many options for a wealthy young person who wants to head out for a night of fun.

 

 

 

That is a possibility.  And if it's true that he declined to provide police with a blood sample, that's sketch.

 

 

I can't disagree, I'm just saying that the fact that other vehicles avoided Haskins while the truck didn't doesn't mean there's a problem with the truck or its driver, trucks having different physics and ergonomics.

 

There's logical reasons to not volunteer a blood sample, which typically requires a warrant to take.  One is simple protection of personal freedoms, even if innocent.  Another could be policy from the trucking company to not voluntarily interact with police or other third parties without the insurance company's lawyers' presence or instructions.  These companies tend to carry a LOT of liability, so their insurance companies tend to have a lot of say in their operations. 

[Saint Doug]

Although I don’t agree with this lawyer, I did follow his reasoning…until he just couldn’t help himself anymore and put in those sentences about this being some clandestine conspiracy. He lost me there. 

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

So as I understand it, the NFLPA ended their ride service with the rise of Uber and Lyft, but Uber and Lyft and taxis are all options.

Something like 2/3 of NFL teams used to have "player protection" ride services, dunno if they're still operating.

 

A number of sports agents, as I understand it, have a 24 hr concierge service for their clients where they call a toll free number and whatever they need, the concierge will shake a tailfeather to "make it so". 

 

My car insurance has roadside assistance.  Call the number on the insurance card.

 

So many options for a wealthy young person who wants to head out for a night of fun.

 

 

 

That is a possibility.  And if it's true that he declined to provide police with a blood sample, that's sketch.

 

 

I can't disagree, I'm just saying that the fact that other vehicles avoided Haskins while the truck didn't doesn't mean there's a problem with the truck or its driver, trucks having different physics and ergonomics.

Someone's dead and he has a cdl. You don't get to decline. You can do it nicely or get lit up like a Xmas tree and strapped to a chair for a nurse to poke you lol

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I’ll 100% agree in the generality. Especially for a 2am crash. 
 

this one being morning after and wandering into traffic- he’s probably far beyond any type of decision making, unfortunately. And if there’s some added context, there could be blame to go around. He wouldn’t be the first wealthy guy drugged by a woman and this wouldn’t be the first messed up truck on the road. 
 

I’m not taking the lawyer at face value but to completely dismiss him isn’t fair yet either

for sure will agree that by itself hitting him when others didn’t doesn’t mean he did a single thing wrong 

 

I guess you're correct that I did read like "completely dismissing him".  I suppose the "conspiracy theory" tone of his filing ticked me off, along with what seems to be the implication that because Fred's Honda Civic or Aubrey's Audi avoided a collision, therefore a loaded truck should be able to do so or it's negligent driving/bad maintenance.  Some of our relatives drove over-the-road and then county maintenance trucks for years, so we've heard lots of stories about what life looks like on that side of the steering wheel.

 

I do understand @1ManRaid's point that it's the litigator's job to cast a wide net for initial discovery.

 

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Someone's dead and he has a cdl. You don't get to decline. You can do it nicely or get lit up like a Xmas tree and strapped to a chair for a nurse to poke you lol

 

Yeah, I didn't understand that part, unless the police at the scene did not consider him a "DUI suspect".  I looked up Florida law and you're right as far as DUI:

 

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Third, police in Florida may obtain a blood sample where a DUI suspect was involved in a motor vehicle crash and is determined to have caused death or serious bodily injury.  Where there is death or bodily injury, Section 316.1933, Florida Statutes, provides that the blood test may be compelled, even through the use of ‘reasonable force.’

 

I guess what the lawyer is saying is that the truck driver wasn't considered a DUI suspect so the police didn't insist upon a blood sample at the scene, they asked and he declined?  Because otherwise, you're right, he doesn't get to decline.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Beck Water

[BillsShredder83]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I guess you're correct that I did read like "completely dismissing him".  I suppose the "conspiracy theory" tone of his filing ticked me off.

 

 

Yeah, I didn't understand that part, unless the police at the scene did not consider him a "DUI suspect".  I looked up Florida law and you're right as far as DUI:

 

 

I guess what the lawyer is saying is that the truck driver wasn't considered a DUI suspect so the police didn't insist upon a blood sample at the scene?

Florida might be different, as they tend to be, but no matter what, drunk, sober, at fault, or clearly a suicide by truck, mandatory blood draw for fatality when you have cdl

[Scott7975]

Thats horrible.  RIP.

[chongli]

Brief update on the case:

 

Statement from the Ellsley Law Firm earlier today on Instagram, which represents the estate of Dwayne Haskins, Jr.:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwGhiOgy6x-/

 

 

"Former Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback Dwayne Haskins, Jr. was tragically killed after he was hit by a dump truck on I-595 during the early morning hours of April 9, 2022 in Broward County, Florida.

Kalabrya Haskins, as Personal Representative of Dwayne’s Estate has recently reached a combined settlement with the truck driver, the truck owner, and the truck broker.

Settlements with various other parties have been previously secured.

The case continues to proceed in Broward County Circuit Court against multiple other defendants."

 

 

Excerpt from ESPN article today:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38216390/dwayne-haskins-estate-settles-dump-truck-driver-owner

 

"Haskins, 24, was killed April 9, 2022, while he was walking on a South Florida highway. His family alleges in the lawsuit that the driver of the truck was speeding, driving carelessly and had a cargo load exceeding the legal weight limit.

Rick Ellsley, the lawyer for Haskins' family, said in a release that settlements with various other parties have been previously secured. There are still 10 other defendants in the case. A court date has not yet been set, Ellsley said.

 

[...]

 

The lawsuit, filed in Fort Lauderdale, alleges the former Ohio State star was drugged and robbed by a man and three women in the hours before the accident. The family said it happened at a Boca Raton, Florida, hotel, at an upscale golf driving range, a bar and a nightclub. The lawsuit does not give any specifics. Haskins, then with the Pittsburgh Steelers, had been in South Florida for offseason workouts.

 

The suit says the pickup truck Haskins had rented had a mechanical defect that caused it to run out of gas. The family also alleges that the state highway department didn't properly maintain and light the road, or post a lower speed limit while construction work was being done. The family claims a temporary sign blocked visibility on the highway."

[BillsShredder83]

2 minutes ago, chongli said:

Brief update on the case:

 

Statement from the Ellsley Law Firm earlier today on Instagram, which represents the estate of Dwayne Haskins, Jr.:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwGhiOgy6x-/

 

 

"Former Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback Dwayne Haskins, Jr. was tragically killed after he was hit by a dump truck on I-595 during the early morning hours of April 9, 2022 in Broward County, Florida.

Kalabrya Haskins, as Personal Representative of Dwayne’s Estate has recently reached a combined settlement with the truck driver, the truck owner, and the truck broker.

Settlements with various other parties have been previously secured.

The case continues to proceed in Broward County Circuit Court against multiple other defendants."

 

 

Excerpt from ESPN article today:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38216390/dwayne-haskins-estate-settles-dump-truck-driver-owner

 

"Haskins, 24, was killed April 9, 2022, while he was walking on a South Florida highway. His family alleges in the lawsuit that the driver of the truck was speeding, driving carelessly and had a cargo load exceeding the legal weight limit.

Rick Ellsley, the lawyer for Haskins' family, said in a release that settlements with various other parties have been previously secured. There are still 10 other defendants in the case. A court date has not yet been set, Ellsley said.

 

[...]

 

The lawsuit, filed in Fort Lauderdale, alleges the former Ohio State star was drugged and robbed by a man and three women in the hours before the accident. The family said it happened at a Boca Raton, Florida, hotel, at an upscale golf driving range, a bar and a nightclub. The lawsuit does not give any specifics. Haskins, then with the Pittsburgh Steelers, had been in South Florida for offseason workouts.

 

The suit says the pickup truck Haskins had rented had a mechanical defect that caused it to run out of gas. The family also alleges that the state highway department didn't properly maintain and light the road, or post a lower speed limit while construction work was being done. The family claims a temporary sign blocked visibility on the highway."

Redundant to mention this at this point, but lawyers know no shame. Good grief. Suing the driver is loooooow.

 

Even if it was a straight up suicide that guy will never get hired as a trucker, due to insurance knowing of a fatality, even if completely not at fault.

 

So the lawyers now want go take $$ from him after losing his career 🤢🤢🤢

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Redundant to mention this at this point, but lawyers know no shame. Good grief. Suing the driver is loooooow.

 

Even if it was a straight up suicide that guy will never get hired as a trucker, due to insurance knowing of a fatality, even if completely not at fault.

 

So the lawyers now want go take $$ from him after losing his career 🤢🤢🤢

His family doesn't deserve to lose him but they don't deserve the windfall they're seeking. Classless move by the family.

[wppete]

First off it’s really sad Haskin passed. RIP young man. He had a bright future and seemed like a great young man…. But these lawyers are really low suing everyone possible just a horrible look. 
 

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by wppete

[StHustle]

5 hours ago, boyst said:

His family doesn't deserve to lose him but they don't deserve the windfall they're seeking. Classless move by the family.

I would disagree if their allegations are true. If he was speeding and overweight then that’s an issue. I get speeding could mean 1 mile over so that depends on what speed he was doing. Anything above 5 over and he deserves to be sued. Your speed directly determines how fast you can slow the vehicle. The “driving carelessly” accusation is interesting. Would need to hear how they arrived at that conclusion. 

[CA OC Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, StHustle said:

I would disagree if their allegations are true. If he was speeding and overweight then that’s an issue. I get speeding could mean 1 mile over so that depends on what speed he was doing. Anything above 5 over and he deserves to be sued. Your speed directly determines how fast you can slow the vehicle. The “driving carelessly” accusation is interesting. Would need to hear how they arrived at that conclusion. 

Unless what was said originally, that Haskins was crossing am interstate on for, was false, I don't care if the driver was speeding, the family should not be entitled to get money for it.

[BobbyC81]

5 hours ago, wppete said:

First off it’s really sad Haskin passed. RIP young man. He had a bright future and seemed like a great young man…. But these lawyers are really low suing everyone possible just a horrible look. 
 

 

The dude was legally drunk and tried to cross a freeway.  That’s all I need to know. Another frivolous lawsuit.  Let’s find someone else to blame.

[maddenboy]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

The “driving carelessly” accusation is interesting. Would need to hear how they arrived at that conclusion. 

probably since they cannot determine his exact rate of speed in mph to see if it was over the posted limit.

 

so "careless driving" in this case probably is "speed unsafe for the conditions" no matter what the mph. 

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by maddenboy

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Redundant to mention this at this point, but lawyers know no shame. Good grief. Suing the driver is loooooow.

 

Even if it was a straight up suicide that guy will never get hired as a trucker, due to insurance knowing of a fatality, even if completely not at fault.

 

So the lawyers now want go take $$ from him after losing his career 🤢🤢🤢

 

"...had a cargo load exceeding the legal weight limit."

 

He ruined his own career.

 

Being overloaded and involved in the death of a motorist is the risk of all risks for a trucker.  A huge no-no.

[aristocrat]

Hang on. He was drugged and robbed? What’s the timeline here? 

[boyst]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

I would disagree if their allegations are true. If he was speeding and overweight then that’s an issue. I get speeding could mean 1 mile over so that depends on what speed he was doing. Anything above 5 over and he deserves to be sued. Your speed directly determines how fast you can slow the vehicle. The “driving carelessly” accusation is interesting. Would need to hear how they arrived at that conclusion. 

He was on a highway/interstate. I don't know many people that cruise 3-5 over the limit.

 

No difference is made by a car going 60 or 65. Or 70 and 55.

 

You play stupid games. You win stupid prizes.

 

A driver once got a ticket for hitting a neighbors dog when he admitted he was doing 55 in a 45. It was hilarious. The driver told me he was driving and didn't see the dog, just doing 55 on his way to work. I knew the speed limit and told the dude to tell the SHP officer that exactly. 🤣