Royale with Cheese Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I eluded to this earlier in the thread. I’ve been trying to think of this from multiple angles and this is the only reasonable thing I could think of. I figured the decision must of stemmed from overconfidence. Simply relying on his elite athleticism, thinking he could do it. But maybe we won’t find out the real motive for his decision to cross the interstate. I would have to assume though, if it was because of car trouble, he would have enough connections to come help him. After all he is a professional athlete and all he would have to do is make a phone call. I just feel bad. Terrible really. I would just like to know what was going through his head at the moment he made these decisions. Just trying to make sense of it. I think we have all made some risky decisions in life that we would probably want back. I just hope for his sake there is more to the story than simply just making a bad mistake. Hopefully it was simply just an accident and the driver was mostly at fault. Either way, it doesn’t take away a persons dignity, and Haskins deserves that. Sober or not. May all those involved get the peace they deserve. “Hopefully it was simply an accident and the driver was mostly at fault”. Why are you hoping that? Why are you hoping that the driver has to live with this the rest of his life with this guilt? 4 2 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 I’m sorry for the family’s loss. He’s too young to pass. 1 Quote
Nitro Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 His death is a shock and a tragedy to his family, friends and team mates. My condolences to them. Quote
Milanos Milano Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: “Hopefully it was simply an accident and the driver was mostly at fault”. Why are you hoping that? Why are you hoping that the driver has to live with this the rest of his life with this guilt? Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. 2 1 1 Quote
YoloinOhio Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. Why? It’s not the time to strive for blame. People are mourning this young person’s death. He made some minor immature decisions once he got in the league but by all accounts was a very intelligent, likeable and gracious person. It’s difficult for some people to process the judgment taking place at this time. Edited April 10, 2022 by YoloinOhio 2 Quote
Milanos Milano Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Why? Because that’s how life works. Ultimately decisions were made that lead to the accident. Trying to find out what went on to prevent things like this from happening should be part of the process. 1 1 1 Quote
Rochesterfan Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Because that’s how life works. Ultimately decisions were made that lead to the accident. Trying to find out what went on to prevent things like this from happening should be part of the process. That is the nature of accidents - decisions being made, but blame does not and should not be part of this at this time. You keep talking about preventing this from happening, but at the same time you have speculated on everything from Haskins committing suicide, to drinking and drugs, to feeling adrenaline rush, to the driver of the other car being at blame. Why don’t you just wait to find out what happened rather than coming up with horrible scenario after horrible scenario. The young man was killed in an accident - facts are still coming out - the reasoning and the understanding come with the facts. At this time blame, speculation, trying to reason out why and what he did, should all be put on hold. Maybe there was a good reason and maybe there wasn’t. Until the facts come out - who cares about the other things. 1 Quote
Milanos Milano Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. I completely disagree with all of this. 2 1 1 Quote
Milanos Milano Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: That is the nature of accidents - decisions being made, but blame does not and should not be part of this at this time. You keep talking about preventing this from happening, but at the same time you have speculated on everything from Haskins committing suicide, to drinking and drugs, to feeling adrenaline rush, to the driver of the other car being at blame. Why don’t you just wait to find out what happened rather than coming up with horrible scenario after horrible scenario. The young man was killed in an accident - facts are still coming out - the reasoning and the understanding come with the facts. At this time blame, speculation, trying to reason out why and what he did, should all be put on hold. Maybe there was a good reason and maybe there wasn’t. Until the facts come out - who cares about the other things. It’s possible to mourn and speculate at the same time. Nobody benefits by the “we will talk about it later” . Generally it’s said like this in the hopes it goes away and you never have to talk about it. That helps no one. 1 1 Quote
Rochesterfan Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is. So then tell me exactly what happened to cause this so we can fix it. Oh wait - YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT - you can’t fix it without understanding the situation and you can’t understand it if you keep making up situations that do not fit the data. Let them do their job and then we can assess what happened and if a fix is needed. Sometimes a bad decision is a bad decision and sometimes it feels like the only decision in a given situation. Just wait for the facts. 2 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is. So no one gets blamed for this and this will make people cross highways more or something? Is that how your mind works? It was an accident and we may never know why Haskins was crossing. That doesn’t mean someone needs to be blamed. 1 1 1 Quote
Milanos Milano Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I completely disagree with all of this. But why? Because it makes you feel uncomfortable? Life is uncomfortable. Weird things happen and suppressing it and not talking about it is one of the reasons why things like this keep happening over and over again. 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So no one gets blamed for this and this will make people cross highways more or something? Is that how your mind works? It was an accident and we may never know why Haskins was crossing. That doesn’t mean someone needs to be blamed. Society in general brush things aside or under rugs. It’s like a taboo to even discuss things like this. People shout “victim blaming” or “this isn’t the right time” or “just let it play out” , and then nothing happens. Collectively shrug shoulders and chalk it off as it is what it is. This kind of mindset happens everywhere. It’s like when innocent people get killed by guns, nothing happens, it just keeps happening and people accept it as a part of life. 2 Quote
Rochesterfan Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: It’s possible to mourn and speculate at the same time. Nobody benefits by the “we will talk about it later” . Generally it’s said like this in the hopes it goes away and you never have to talk about it. That helps no one. What benefits do we gain from you speculating that Haskins is committing suicide? What knowledge do we gather from you saying - Alcohol or Drugs may have been involved? What teaching can we provide by blaming the other driver? There is no teaching points to be had in your made up stories - just wait on the facts. We have heard the car ran out of gas and then car problems. We don’t know if he was even alone. We don’t know what the traffic was like at 6am on a Saturday morning versus other days and if that influenced the decision. Speculation provides nothing and blame helps no one. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: But why? Because it makes you feel uncomfortable? Life is uncomfortable. Weird things happen and suppressing it and not talking about it is one of the reasons why things like this keep happening over and over again. What is wrong with you? How in the world would this make me uncomfortable? I didn’t know Haskins so I have zero emotional attachment to him. Is that how incredibly arrogant you are? You disagree with me just because you’re uncomfortable. I disagree with your thought process. I’m not uncomfortable saying that. Have you noticed a trend in threads you’re in that people typically disagree with you? You’re not smarter than everyone else. 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: What benefits do we gain from you speculating that Haskins is committing suicide? What knowledge do we gather from you saying - Alcohol or Drugs may have been involved? What teaching can we provide by blaming the other driver? There is no teaching points to be had in your made up stories - just wait on the facts. We have heard the car ran out of gas and then car problems. We don’t know if he was even alone. We don’t know what the traffic was like at 6am on a Saturday morning versus other days and if that influenced the decision. Speculation provides nothing and blame helps no one. You know the old saying about assume…. 2 1 1 Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 20 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Lamar calling out Schefter. I know what he's saying but damn dude , use some proper grammar and punctuation 1 Quote
Beast Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. What a freaking disgusting take. 4 Quote
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 53 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Because that’s how life works. Ultimately decisions were made that lead to the accident. Trying to find out what went on to prevent things like this from happening should be part of the process. I don't think you need to be a genius to realize that Not trying to cross a busy restricted-access interstate would have prevented this accident. Haskins may have had individual reasons that seemed good to him at the time, but individual reasons are too...individual to be generally useful as an accident prevention strategy. Quote
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 10, 2022 Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. 1) the driver of that dump truck will carry the burden for the rest of his life, even if he is 0% at fault. I have heard the stories of locomotive engineers who had someone go around the gates and get struck by their train and die. That's 0% the fault of the locomotive engineer - a big train doesn't even slow appreciably in the time between seeing someone and the train getting to the crossing - but they carry that for the rest of their lives. 2) on a restricted access highway where it's illegal to be a pedestrian, there is no way the dump truck driver is going to be found majorly at fault. If he were proven to be speeding and distracted at the time, those would be contributing factors. 3) people can be remembered for their lives and accomplishments more than a final decision they made, even if it were a poor decision. 4 Quote
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