Patriots trade for DeVante Parker

[Rochesterfan]

  On 4/2/2022 at 6:41 PM, Heathcliff said:

I think the quick slants and bubble screens with Hill can be dangerous.  Tua can usually hit those. 

Expand  

I think they were when you had Mahomes passing the ball and he could hit Hill or Kelce all over the field.

 

Tua has not shown that - so teams are going (or should be) playing tighter with less fear of going over the top.

 

I think Hill and Waddle are going to nickle and dime teams and be tough to stop, but that doesn’t scare me as an offense.  Especially since Tua has struggled with quick short passes.

 

Hill was a threat because he could beat you 60 yards down field or break off the route at 5 yards and be open.

 

We will see, but Hill in a SF style offense with lots of short passes - is not a scary offense.  It becomes a very precise offense that will struggle over time.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 4/2/2022 at 6:38 PM, Doc said:

 

Yeah, Young and Stroud are going 1 and 2 next year, if they continue to look good.  Two 1st rounders in the middle to late 1st round isn't going to get them there.

 

 

Need me to explain it to you?

Expand  

 

explain "the Dols are the bigger threat" part

[Doc]

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:01 PM, Mr. WEO said:

explain "the Dols are the bigger threat" part

Expand  

 

Hill makes their offense a little tougher to defend for man teams.  Including the Cheaters, who lost their best CB.  I see them as the 2nd best team in the AFC East right now.

[Big Turk]

  On 4/2/2022 at 5:27 PM, PatsFanNH said:

This was an easy move for the Pats to make. They will get a 3rd for JC Jackson signing elsewhere and got another pick this year AND a very good WR when healthy, and for a good WR he is really cheap the next 2 years. 

Expand  

Probably because he can't stay on the field

[billsherd]

What I want to know in all this is what kind of QBs prospects are coming out next year, looks like dolphins have enough draft capital to get the QB.

[FireChans]

  On 4/2/2022 at 6:38 PM, Doc said:

 

Yeah, Young and Stroud are going 1 and 2 next year, if they continue to look good.  Two 1st rounders in the middle to late 1st round isn't going to get them there.

 

 

Need me to explain it to you?

Expand  

Sure tell me how it hurts the Dolphins but doesn't help the Pats. lmao

[Mr. WEO]

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:06 PM, Doc said:

 

Hill makes their offense a little tougher to defend for man teams.  Including the Cheaters, who lost their best CB.  I see them as the 2nd best team in the AFC East right now.

Expand  

 

You're on record saying their QB is a bum and there HC is whoever this is:

 

[Doc]

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:11 PM, FireChans said:

Sure tell me how it hurts the Dolphins but doesn't help the Pats. lmao

Expand  

 

He would have been their best 3rd WR.  But his availability is an issue and if the Cheaters are counting on him to be a full-time starter, much less #1 WR...

 

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:12 PM, Mr. WEO said:

You're on record saying their QB is a bum and there HC is whoever this is:

 

Expand  

 

They were one game behind the Cheaters last year, splitting with them.  Who gained more over the off-season?

[Chicken Boo]

That's a solid get.  With Meyers and that running game, the Pats aren't in bad shape.  It's all up to Mac Jones.

[Chicken Boo]

  On 4/2/2022 at 5:44 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

When did Parker become a “very good “ wide receiver?

Expand  

 

He is.  Health is an obvious concern, but he can ball.  There's no doubt about that.  He's never benefited from stellar QB play.

 

Given the return for the Phins, the Packers dropped the ball here...again.

[Success]

Pretty good pick up for the Pats.  It's VERY weird that Miami would choose to trade a good WR within the division.  I don't really get why teams do that, especially w/ NE.

 

[The Jokeman]

  On 4/2/2022 at 5:12 PM, Virgil said:

To get traded within your own division is such a slap in the face.  The difference in value between those picks are stones.

 

Is this a salary dump move by the Dolphins?

Expand  

Salary dump because he's be 3rd on their depth chart and making too much money. 

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:25 PM, Chicken Boo said:

 

He is.  Health is an obvious concern, but he can ball.  There's no doubt about that.  He's never benefited from stellar QB play.

 

Given the return for the Phins, the Packers dropped the ball here...again.

Expand  

I agree, this would been a grade trade for the Packers.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:18 PM, Doc said:

 

He would have been their best 3rd WR.  But his availability is an issue and if the Cheaters are counting on him to be a full-time starter, much less #1 WR...

 

 

They were one game behind the Cheaters last year, splitting with them.  Who gained more over the off-season?

Expand  

 

So it's been your opinion all along that Tua was just a better WR away from being a much better QB?  And holding Shanahan's Starbucks mug for a few seasons makes McDaniel a problem for the rest of the Division?

[The Jokeman]

  On 4/2/2022 at 6:58 PM, Rochesterfan said:

I think they were when you had Mahomes passing the ball and he could hit Hill or Kelce all over the field.

 

Tua has not shown that - so teams are going (or should be) playing tighter with less fear of going over the top.

 

I think Hill and Waddle are going to nickle and dime teams and be tough to stop, but that doesn’t scare me as an offense.  Especially since Tua has struggled with quick short passes.

 

Hill was a threat because he could beat you 60 yards down field or break off the route at 5 yards and be open.

 

We will see, but Hill in a SF style offense with lots of short passes - is not a scary offense.  It becomes a very precise offense that will struggle over time.

 

 

Expand  

Hill likely play a Deebo Samuel role in Miami unless they draft a RB early.

[Doc]

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:33 PM, Mr. WEO said:

So it's been your opinion all along that Tua was just a better WR away from being a much better QB?  And holding Shanahan's Starbucks mug for a few seasons makes McDaniel a problem for the rest of the Division?

Expand  

 

Again, it's a matter of results from last year and off-season gains and losses. 

 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:37 PM, Doc said:

 

Again, it's a matter of results from last year and off-season gains and losses. 

 

Expand  

 

So full season Tua is no longer a liability?  The "gain" of Hill settles it for you?

[Doc Brown]

I’m hoping this takes a DK Metcalf trade off the table.  I knew the Pats would make one big WR move.  Glad this was it.

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:20 PM, Chicken Boo said:

That's a solid get.  With Meyers and that running game, the Pats aren't in bad shape.  It's all up to Mac Jones.

Expand  

They lost two good o-lineman and failed to re-sign Jackson.  I think they’re worse than last year.

[YoloinOhio]

Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic 

[BuffaloBills1998]

  On 4/2/2022 at 5:09 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

Good pickup by the Pats.  Won’t be enough, but I think it’s a solid move.

Expand  

I can’t say a good pick up for them. They traded their 3rd rounder for an injury prone WR

[Maynard]

  On 4/2/2022 at 7:10 PM, billsherd said:

What I want to know in all this is what kind of QBs prospects are coming out next year, looks like dolphins have enough draft capital to get the QB.

Expand  

There are much better QB prospects next year. However, you have to figure there are going to be a lot of teams, especially in the NFC, that will require a QB. I don’t care how much ammo Miami has. Good luck to them moving up into one of those top spots.