Rumor: Bills want to move up in draft, may move a veteran or two to accomplish it

[jlgarsh]

Trade Epenesa. Someone will take a chance on him since he's young

[Magnum Force]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I just read that Walker left WF because he didn't like running the RPO. Wanted to play in a PRO set 

He is a special runner. 

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

Trade Epenesa. Someone will take a chance on him since he's young

I think he will learn a lot from Von Miller. I'm looking for a big season from AJ

[jlgarsh]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I think he will learn a lot from Von Miller. I'm looking for a big season from AJ

He could, but DL is probably their deepest position, and no way they'll trade Groot. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The chargers tried to fix the reason they missed the playoffs  Their D.  
 

Our season ended because of two things. Neither include our offense.  Coaching and not being able to corral Mahomes in the pocket. He’s not going to fire Frazier and I think they did a great job along our DL.

 

The bengals held Kc to 24.  18 less that we did.  Their pass rush wrecked in the 4th qtr.  The team that won the super bowl last year had the best pass rush and defense in the league (imo).  Not the best offense.  The final score was 23-20.  The rams got a defensive stop to win the game.  It matters.  
 

It’s an offensive league….I’m not denying that.  I just don’t agree with the thought that Beane is doing something completely different than everyone else.  That’s utter nonsense. 

 

 

The problem with the offseason is that the deeper we get into it...........the more people forget how things actually transpired and what it means going forward.

 

The offense that got the Bills back into the playoffs after a late season push was predicated on running Josh Allen 10-15 times per game.

 

The offense needs to be able to function without Josh Allen running..........and certainly not on the 200 carry season pace he went on after the season went code red after the Monday night debacle at home against NE.]

 

I'm all about adding the elite pass rusher............but $15M aav for 3 new DT's was lavish.     And swapping out Daryl Williams for Rodger Saffold and Beasley/Sanders for Crowder wasn't enough(if ANY) improvement offensively.

 

I am glad Bates is back because I suspect he will have to fill in for Saffold a lot.   Still need more OL help and need a receiver who can produce some RAC for what was the absolute worst RAC team in the NFL.  

 

How soon we forget.

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You would think so… another legitimate option in case Brown pulls a Cody Ford would be ideal though…. I’d gladly swap a first round corner for a potential stud 1st round tackle… again, this team is jack ***** without Allen. Give him everything.

Herbert had everything….except a defense.   Missed the playoffs because of it.

[transplantbillsfan]

10 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Vets that are valuable would be Hyde, Poyer, Dawkins, Diggs but you create hole but gain cap space. Interesting. 

 

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

They aren’t trading Hyde. Poyer and Edmunds the most likely in this scenario.

 

I don't think any of this does happen, but the simple fact is that Hyde (and Poyer) are both now on the wrong side of 30 and we do have a couple of young Safeties we've been grooming. Jaquan Johnson is a guy who's been under their tutelage for 3 years now and he's in the final year of his rookie deal.

 

I don't think it happens, but I do think Hyde and Poyer might be the most likely candidates given age, contracts, and what's behind them. 

 

Though Edmunds might be the popular move, who would fill his spot on our roster?

10 hours ago, Logic said:

The two key questions here:

 

Who would the Bills be moving up for?

 

What veterans have trade value?

 

The logical answers to the first question would seem to be a corner or WR. Maybe they really like Derek Stingley or Jameson Williams.

 

The only answers I could come up with to the second question are Tremaine Edmunds and Zack Moss. 
 

Interesting report. I can’t see them moving up TOO high, as it would cost a ton to get from 25th into the top 10. Maybe they just want to get inside the top 20 to ensure they get one of these WRs or CBS before the talent level drops off.

 

Any GM trading for Zack Moss would soon be fired.

[Logic]

37 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the point is to give Josh as much support as possible to prolong his career. The guy has put the team on his back and carried them as far as they could go(should’ve been farther if not for a McD brain fart) two years in a row…. They are marginally better on the offensive line to this point and are arguably worse at the wide out position to this point. As Badoll had said, the league is about stacking offense and offensive playmakers… not attempting stack defense year after year….. hell, they’ve already been doing that offseason after offseason and they been exposed at some point in the season despite their investments…. I wonder at what point they realize and actual act on the fact that protecting and giving Allen all the help he can get  offensively is their best pathway to success. 

Good post, I actually agree with your overall point. I’ve said all offseason that I’d like them to draft a WR in the first and to stack talent on offense.

 

Still, it’s at least worth asking: which would have more likely allowed us to win last year’s Chiefs game rather than lose it? Defensive reinforcements or offensive reinforcements? An Edge and a corner or a wide receiver and a guard?

 

Where was the level of play more deficient, WR or CB?

 

That’s my main point. We didn’t lose the most important game of last season due to a lack of offensive talent. 
 

While I’m hoping for a shiny new WR, it’s easy to see how an elite corner would help push us past the Chiefs and the other potent AFC offenses more than another weapon for Josh.

[Rk_Bills86]

The more I do mock drafts across multiple platforms, the more I'm convinced the Bills will look to trade up or trade to draft very specific players rather than wait to see how the board falls. The early part of Round 1 will be the biggest determining factor - mainly how many QBs actually get taken in the first.

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The problem with the offseason is that the deeper we get into it...........the more people forget how things actually transpired and what it means going forward.

 

The offense that got the Bills back into the playoffs after a late season push was predicated on running Josh Allen 10-15 times per game.

 

The offense needs to be able to function without Josh Allen running..........and certainly not on the 200 carry season pace he went on after the season went code red after the Monday night debacle at home against NE.]

 

I'm all about adding the elite pass rusher............but $15M aav for 3 new DT's was lavish.     And swapping out Daryl Williams for Rodger Saffold and Beasley/Sanders for Crowder wasn't enough(if ANY) improvement offensively.

 

I am glad Bates is back because I suspect he will have to fill in for Saffold a lot.   Still need more OL help and need a receiver who can produce some RAC for what was the absolute worst RAC team in the NFL.  

 

How soon we forget.

The last 6 games josh had 3, 12, 15, 5, 6, 11 rushes respectively.  And offense predicated on him rushing 3-15 times.  We ran him when we had to run him. I hope that’s the case in every playoff.
 

I get your point and I agree, Josh shouldn’t run that much during the regular season.  I agree that we should be looking to add more weapons and improve the offense.  It’s April 1….,there is time to add more in the draft and FA.  You think he’s done on offense?
 

my point is……again……that Beane isn’t doing what @ScottLawsaid he was….zagging while the rest of the league is zigging.  Meanwhile we’re the unanimous #1 team in the league at the moment.  

[34-78-83]

I don't see any way the Bills will be using all 8 picks in this draft, let alone 7. I see them making 5 or 6 picks in the midst of a trade up or 2 for sure. Why bother taking 8 when maybe only 5 will make the team?

[BADOLBILZ]

31 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The last 6 games josh had 3, 12, 15, 5, 6, 11 rushes respectively.  And offense predicated on him rushing 3-15 times.  We ran him when we had to run him. I hope that’s the case in every playoff.
 

I get your point and I agree, Josh shouldn’t run that much during the regular season.  I agree that we should be looking to add more weapons and improve the offense.  It’s April 1….,there is time to add more in the draft and FA.  You think he’s done on offense?
 

my point is……again……that Beane isn’t doing what @ScottLawsaid he was….zagging while the rest of the league is zigging.  Meanwhile we’re the unanimous #1 team in the league at the moment.  

 

Over a 4 game stretch Allen ran the ball 42 times........after the home NE loss (6) and before the finale against the uncompetitive Jets(5).......that's clearly what I was talking about and you should remember that.  In the middle of that stretch of 4 games they tried to have Allen just throw from the pocket against Carolina,  the 3 rush game, but it turned into one of his worst passing games of the year and he was sacked 4 times........so it was back to QB runs.

 

They clearly realized that the offense wasn't working well enough to beat a good team without using Allen like RB1...........this realization after scoring just 9 points in Jax and 15 points and 10 points against Indy and NE in losses at home over a 5 game stretch.

 

Things WERE NOT going well on offense until Josh started pounding the rock.

 

And yes right now the Bills are the betting favorites..........not the #1 team in the NFL........KC was the betting favorite this time last season and didn't reach the SB.

 

Didn't you have a large wager on the Bills win total that went to hell because of that offensive slump at mid-season which was mainly due to the combination of poor OL play and a lack of RAC ability in the receiving corps?    

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Still, it’s at least worth asking: which would have more likely allowed us to win last year’s Chiefs game rather than lose it? Defensive reinforcements or offensive reinforcements?

 

The answer is either one... One more game changing player on either side of the ball would have been the difference. The people demanding an offensive player in the 1st round are 50% likely to be happy. Beane will draft a BPA in the 1st round like he always does.

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the point is to give Josh as much support as possible to prolong his career. The guy has put the team on his back and carried them as far as they could go(should’ve been farther if not for a McD brain fart) two years in a row…. They are marginally better on the offensive line to this point and are arguably worse at the wide out position to this point. As Badoll had said, the league is about stacking offense and offensive playmakers… not attempting stack defense year after year….. hell, they’ve already been doing that offseason after offseason and they been exposed at some point in the season despite their investments…. I wonder at what point they realize and actual act on the fact that protecting and giving Allen all the help he can get  offensively is their best pathway to success. 

 

 

Regardless of who said what, the league is absolutely not about stacking offense and offensive playmakers. It's about playmakers at QB, and having a few others, on both sides of the ball. It's about eliminating major holes by putting together a roster with consistent talent. It's not about depth, until it is, and at that point, depth is huge. And it's about system fit and system resiliency.

 

As noted above, the Rams didn't have a great offense. 

 

Both sides of the ball are big.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Thurman#1

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Still need more OL help and need a receiver who can produce some RAC for what was the absolute worst RAC team in the NFL.  

 

Well if we're talking 1st round I don't see a high probability we're drafting OL or a YAC specialist.

 

I don't foresee there being an OT available at pick 25 that is also BPA, not based on the mocks and boards I've looked at. You don't want them to draft an OG (I agree with this) so that takes OL off the table.

 

As far as WRs I want my 1st round WR to be someone that projects as an eventual #1 outside WR. Guys that meet that standard that have a decent chance of being available at pick 25 are Chris Watson, Alan Pierce, maybe Chris Olave. Of those players only Watson is a YAC specialist. I like Burks and Dotson and some of the slot receivers like Moore and Austin III, but none of those project as traditional #1 WRs IMO. So if you want a YAC WR in the 1st round it's Watson or bust, unless a bunch of teams lose their mind and let Jameson Williams fall that far.

 

So the needs you're looking for will be better filled in round 2 and beyond. In round 1 we should do what we always do, pick high upside players at any position that project as eventual true #1s at their position. More likely than not that will end up being an athletic CB or a WR with elite physical traits but not necessarily elite speed and YAC ability.

[SydneyBillsFan]

13 hours ago, Process said:

Singletary would get us from 25 to MAYBE 24.8

 

If Feliciano and Ford are blocking, it may push us back to 32.

[davefan66]

12 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

I would still rather trade a pick or picks for an established player

The Rams method.

 

If only there was a team still in cap trouble, with a starting caliber CB and a relationship with the Bills FO.

Plugging holes with veterans doesn’t always work out.  Borderline teams can’t expect to grab 3-4 big ticket FA’s/proven veterans and expect a huge turnaround.  Teams like the Bills can grab one of two and push themselves over the top.

 

Unless there is a trade where we reduce cap to add the new cap hit, Beane isn’t shopping any more.  He clearly has stated his draft picks are important because they fit the cap, especially someone who is a starter or backup who plays a lot.  That’s why I could see him jump up in the first round, especially to get a CB who will play the next few years at a lower cap hit.  I see a mid round pick if anything because of the reduced salaries there versus the top of the round.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Move up for Caleb Farley!

[BillsVet]

13 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

What’s the trade-in value on a beat-up Ford these days?

Depends…is it a Taurus? Maybe one of those SHO’s might get more in return. 😉

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well if we're talking 1st round I don't see a high probability we're drafting OL or a YAC specialist.

 

I don't foresee there being an OT available at pick 25 that is also BPA, not based on the mocks and boards I've looked at. You don't want them to draft an OG (I agree with this) so that takes OL off the table.

 

As far as WRs I want my 1st round WR to be someone that projects as an eventual #1 outside WR. Guys that meet that standard that have a decent chance of being available at pick 25 are Chris Watson, Alan Pierce, maybe Chris Olave. Of those players only Watson is a YAC specialist. I like Burks and Dotson and some of the slot receivers like Moore and Austin III, but none of those project as traditional #1 WRs IMO. So if you want a YAC WR in the 1st round it's Watson or bust, unless a bunch of teams lose their mind and let Jameson Williams fall that far.

 

So the needs you're looking for will be better filled in round 2 and beyond. In round 1 we should do what we always do, pick high upside players at any position that project as eventual true #1s at their position. More likely than not that will end up being an athletic CB or a WR with elite physical traits but not necessarily elite speed and YAC ability.

 

 

OL might be off the table for you folks. Doesn't mean it's off the table for Beane. Likely it's not.

 

Guard could very easily be the pick, if they like one of the two or three or at absolute most four guards this year who appear to be good enough to be considered BPA at #25: Penning if they think he could transition to guard, Kenyon Green, Zion Johnson, and maybe Kinnard if they have him that high. Probably they think one or two of those might be a possible BPA, a guard and a fit with the kind of player they want there. They might not. Equally, they might. 

 

WR, CB, IOL and DL will probably be the positions they will consider to be positions of need at this point and reasonable first round considerations. Later, other positions will also be considered, IMO.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by Thurman#1