Bills match Bears Offer Sheet for Ryan Bates, 4 yr deal

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

I like Erik Turner but I gotta say him being on TikTok is so on-brand.

[BullBuchanan]

I like the player, and I'm glad he's playing for us, but how are we not talking about what a massive misplay this was? Beane went cheap and instead of protecting Bates for another $1.4m now he has to pony up even more. It's not the end of the world, but neither was using a 2nd round tender.

[longtimebillsfan]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

So we are drafting 7 CB's... perfect 

6 CB's and a punter.

[Motor26]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I really don’t think so, unless ypu think he’s significantly better than Brown. You can’t take him there if he is coming to sit the bench. It’s gonna be a corner. 

I was just wondering because I hear so many people say BPA and he would almost certainly be it if he made it to pick 25. 

[BADOLBILZ]

44 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

 

As I noted prior..........I can remember being on the other end of these deals when Marv and Jauron were stupidly chasing RFA's.    

 

It was like "well, see........we TRIED".............the GM equivalent of "fake hustle".

 

Meanwhile they were excused from the ACTUAL free market for a week.

 

Will not be remembered as some of Poles best work.

 

I was hoping Poles would have a good showing in Chicago since he's a local WNY kid but all he did was run up the bill just enough to be a nuisance.

 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

I like the player, and I'm glad he's playing for us, but how are we not talking about what a massive misplay this was? Beane went cheap and instead of protecting Bates for another $1.4m now he has to pony up even more. It's not the end of the world, but neither was using a 2nd round tender.

This has repeatedly been addressed in the thread. If you go the 2nd round tender route, you face free agency again next year and end up paying more if Bates has a good year. If you think he is a starter for multiple years, Beane's strategy was precisely correct, but you are always the smartest fella in the room, I guess.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

This has repeatedly been addressed in the thread. If you go the 2nd round tender route, you face free agency again next year and end up paying more if Bates has a good year. If you think he is a starter for multiple years, Beane's strategy was precisely correct, but you are always the smartest fella in the room, I guess.

my bad, I read through the first 5 or so pages and the last couple. That said, I don't at all agree it was correct.

Edited March 28, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

my bad, I read through the first 5 or so pages and the last couple.

Well, I can't blame you for that . . . let's just hope the small sample size with Bates was the real deal, because the oline was certainly playing well end of season and playoffs.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Dr. Who

[Beast]

This makes me happy. 

[Big Blitz]

Every starter except Saffold and Crowder will be back on offense. 

 

And those are upgrades.  

[BarleyNY]

10 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

IF by some miracle Penning is there at 25 do you draft him still? 

Why would re-signing a guard impact whether or not we draft a tackle?

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I really don’t think so, unless ypu think he’s significantly better than Brown. You can’t take him there if he is coming to sit the bench. It’s gonna be a corner. 

 

 

I absolutely take Penning at 25..........if Beane passes on a specimen like him there that would be a mistake, IMO.    The draft ain't about patching holes but even with that being the case it's not like the LT position was great last year...........Dawkins got covid TWICE and has conditioning issues that will probably hit HARD when he loses that step in his late 20's.    If they get 7 years out of him at LT that will be great value for a good-feet-bad-body LT like Dion.........and he's already going into year 6.   If a potential stud LT is there you take him, IMO.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

I think it will end up being better because I believe that abates will be the long-term answer but I also believe that Beane would have liked to have seen him play more before committing to this sort of contract.

 

Both things can be true at the same time.

 

They've seen him in practice plenty and then got a 5 game audition at the end of the season.  I think that Beane was always going to re-sign him, as long as it wasn't beyond a certain price range, which he probably already knew.

 

46 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I find this very peculiar.

 

Beane did not tender him with a 2nd round designation that would have given abates $3.9 million and would have provided the Bills with a 2nd round pick if he was signed elsewhere.

 

But Beane was willing to give him a 4 year deal with an average of more than $4 million per season.

 

I must be missing something.

 

7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I like the player, and I'm glad he's playing for us, but how are we not talking about what a massive misplay this was? Beane went cheap and instead of protecting Bates for another $1.4m now he has to pony up even more. It's not the end of the world, but neither was using a 2nd round tender.

 

The 2nd round tender is $3.986M.  He got him for $4.25M/year for 4 years.  That's a difference of about $250K a year and $1M overall.  Where's the misplay?

 

And as stated, if he tendered him at the 2nd round level, it's likely just a 1-year deal (no one is making him an offer if it costs a 2nd rounder) and Bates walks next year.

[Malazan]

3 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

I was just wondering because I hear so many people say BPA and he would almost certainly be it if he made it to pick 25. 

 

BPA isn't a thing. Most teams use something that if you describe it would be "BVA" aka Best Value Available. Drafting BPA is a bad strategy. To explain this in the extreme, the BPA could be a QB.. a QB at 25would be a massive waste on the Bills though..

 

Same thing if you look in the draft and you're in the 2nd round and the BPA is a player who's going to have a hard time making the team then.. well, you have better value elsewhere. It's not drafting for need, but it's a balancing act. Then you look at things like a safety... don't draft a safety in the 1st because solid productive players are available in FA every year at that position and even the cost of the elite ones don't compare to pass rushers and wide receivers.

[NoName]

2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

The only caveat is that he was on the left side last year..

 

 From what I have read Saffold is LG leaving an inexperienced pairing of Bates and Brown on the right….

 

Anyway… it’s obvious they like both of them so onwards and upwards..

 

From what I've read, Saffold is not great in pass protection but very good at run blocking.  From what I understand about ol's, the right guard is better for run blocking and left for pass protection.  I'm not sure if I have that correct but if I do, then Saffold is going to the right and we are keeping bates at left.

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

I was just wondering because I hear so many people say BPA and he would almost certainly be it if he made it to pick 25. 

I think it’s a good point. I have had those thoughts myself with Linderbaum. But if Penning is there, it could be a great spot for a trade down. If I had to bet today I would say a modest trade up with say the Eagles for a corner will happen. I think the Eagles will trade down a bit as you don’t want to deal with 3 fifth year options. 

 

[Malazan]

Just now, Doc said:

 

They've seen him in practice plenty and then got a 5 game audition at the end of the season.  I think that Beane was always going to re-sign him, as long as it wasn't beyond a certain price range, which he probably already knew.

 

The 2nd round tender is $3.986M.  He got him for $4.25M/year for 4 years.  That's a difference of about $250K a year and $1M overall.  Where's the misplay?

 

And as stated, if he tendered him at the 2nd round level, it's likely just a 1-year deal (no one is making him an offer if it costs a 2nd rounder) and Bates walks next year.

 

The other thing I think people underplay here is that Beane literally just got another team negotiate a deal for him and he absolutely knows what Bates could get in FA. If you put a 2nd round tender on him.. no other team even sniffs around. 

 

The arguments on here had Bates value all over the place. If Beane was not sure and didn't want to negotiate against himself.. he needed another team to weigh in and he got one to do it..

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

The 2nd round tender is $3.986M.  He got him for $4.25M/year for 4 years.  That's a difference of about $250K a year and $1M overall.  Where's the misplay?

 

And as stated, if he tendered him at the 2nd round level, it's likely just a 1-year deal (no one is making him an offer if it costs a 2nd rounder) and Bates walks next year.

Why does Bates automatically (or even probably) walk next year? is he going to take personal offense at being given a tender?

As far as the misplay is concerned, I think you provided my answer: "no one is making him an offer if it costs a 2nd rounder". So, now instead of us being able to make an offer on our terms, we had to compete with the highest bidder.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, Success said:

I see some trades on draft day - we have too many picks for this year.

 

Either move up if there is a CB they really like, or accumulate some picks in future drafts.  I can't remember ever feeling like we had so few holes heading into a draft.

 

100% agree.  Only CB # 2 and a new punter are likely to make the team as starters.  They should probably draft just 5 guys.  CB, OT, P, WR, and S  maybe 6 if you want to add another DT or OG.  If they draft two OL then its virtually certain Ford would be gone

Edited March 29, 2022 by Ethan in Portland

[HurlyBurly51]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Every starter except Saffold and Crowder will be back on offense. 

 

And those are upgrades.  

Not sure Crowder is an upgrade, but good enough to keep the offense humming