New "ironclad" Stadium deal reached

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Again, why would poloncarz veto the stadium? It means jobs and the bills staying in Erie county.  He wins votes even if he doesn't want it.

 

The article has Pegula quoted as threatening to move the team or that's just what they felt?

 

Do I think there are other sponsors out there? Yes.  You think original pizza logs is the sponsor they wanted to use for a leader expiring in a few years or would they prefer to go with a bigger corp and wanted to wait until the new stadium and lease was in place?

 

 

There you go.

 

Later articles quoted the VP of PSE and later still, Hochul, saying as much.  You know this.

 

I don't know how you are defining "a leader", but no one else would consider "the official finger food of the Buffalo Bills" a "lead" sponsor.

 

Those would be Hymark, Kaleida, M and T Bank, Independent Health, Toyota, Labatts, Bud, Pepsi, Tim Hortons, Wegmans, etc.

 

You think some other companies are waiting to advertise in another stadium in Orchard Park NY when it becomes even more expensive to do so?

 

 

 

[Jukester]

PSL process looks to be next on the list as proceeds will directly fund construction.

https://buffalonews.com/business/local/documents-reveal-more-about-sales-and-marketing-of-seat-licenses-for-new-bills-stadium/article_e708fca2-ce58-11ed-9042-67af68ea8877.html

 

“When the Buffalo Bills start selling personal seat licenses, season ticket holders will be able to see what their seats in a new stadium will look like through a virtual seating center that the team plans to open in Williamsville.

That marketing and sales center will be set up in the Walker Center starting this spring to help sell personal seat licenses, which allow the organization to charge a fee giving season ticket holders the right to buy tickets, according to the agreement.

At the center, fans will be able to buy season tickets for the new stadium and experience their seat in virtual reality.

The documents do not, however, delve into PSL prices or a timeline for their sale as the Bills prepare to break ground on the $1.54 billion stadium in May and substantially complete it in about three years.

‘All the PSL money is used for construction on a stadium, so that's critically important as we embark on this, especially in a market like Buffalo, where we don't have the ability to increase (ticket)prices the way other markets have,’ Ron Raccuia, executive vice president and COO for the Bills, said previously.“

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Jukester said:

PSL process looks to be next on the list as proceeds will directly fund construction.

https://buffalonews.com/business/local/documents-reveal-more-about-sales-and-marketing-of-seat-licenses-for-new-bills-stadium/article_e708fca2-ce58-11ed-9042-67af68ea8877.html

 

“When the Buffalo Bills start selling personal seat licenses, season ticket holders will be able to see what their seats in a new stadium will look like through a virtual seating center that the team plans to open in Williamsville.

That marketing and sales center will be set up in the Walker Center starting this spring to help sell personal seat licenses, which allow the organization to charge a fee giving season ticket holders the right to buy tickets, according to the agreement.

At the center, fans will be able to buy season tickets for the new stadium and experience their seat in virtual reality.

The documents do not, however, delve into PSL prices or a timeline for their sale as the Bills prepare to break ground on the $1.54 billion stadium in May and substantially complete it in about three years.

‘All the PSL money is used for construction on a stadium, so that's critically important as we embark on this, especially in a market like Buffalo, where we don't have the ability to increase (ticket)prices the way other markets have,’ Ron Raccuia, executive vice president and COO for the Bills, said previously.“

 

 

That’s ridiculous! How much of the new stadium are you going to be able to see from Williamsville! There have to be at least ten thousand trees in the way. 😉

[Bob Jones]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Who are you a Terry Pegula relative? Being a Buffalo Bills fan has nothing to do with liking or not liking the current Bills owner Terry Pegula who I think is incompetent bum who can’t win the big game with all the sports teams he owns which is hard to do. Example Terry Pegula owns two lacrosse teams Buffalo Bandits for 12 years and the Rochester Knighthawks for 2 years in a 15 team NLL and yet he can’t win a championship. Doesn’t give me a lot of confidence in Terry Pegula the Buffalo Bills owner because regardless of the new Bills stadium he doesn’t know what he is doing as a sports team owner. There will be more Buffalo fans to fill up the owner is incompetent boat as the years go bye. I am a pioneer one of the first Buffalo sports fans not clouded by Terry Pegula money. I am pretty sure basing this on 49 years of watching sports of all sorts over the years Terry Pegula isn’t winning unfortunately because of the whole lacrosse deal situation the Buffalo Bandits are the New York Yankees of NLL lacrosse even that cheap Tom Gollasono and Larry Quinn won one championship 2008. Buffalo Bandits it’s been 12 years of ownership and counting for Terry Pegula Buffalo Bandits and Buffalo Sabres ownership wake up Buffalo he doesn’t have it as a sports team owner we need a call to the bull pen please sell the Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bandits we need a new owner in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Go Bandits! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Good points here. And how was Kim Pegula qualified to be President of the Buffalo Bills? Did she have any sports management experience before that, or was it strictly a nepotism appointment?

[The Wiz]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s ridiculous! How much of the new stadium are you going to be able to see from Williamsville! There have to be at least ten thousand trees in the way. 😉

Part of the virtual tour will be having to walk through the forest to get to the stadium.

[nucci]

You have to pay thousands of dollars for the right to purchase a season ticket. What a concept.

[mrags]

39 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Part of the virtual tour will be having to walk through the forest to get to the stadium.

I did that this year in the night Miami game. There was about a ft of snow in the ground. The little “bridge” over the creek was icy as hell. I’ll never go that way again. 

[SoCal Deek]

41 minutes ago, nucci said:

You have to pay thousands of dollars for the right to purchase a season ticket. What a concept.

Welcome to the future. If you read the article in the Buffalo News you’ll see this is the new normal in all of those cities with those new stadiums that everyone admires so much. I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t pay it if I still lived in WNY but it’s not all that different from the ‘$ due at signing’ fine print on that new car lease. Sure, your monthly payment is lower but you pay thousands up front to reduce it and in the end you don’t own the car. 

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Welcome to the future. If you read the article in the Buffalo News you’ll see this is the new normal in all of those cities with those new stadiums that everyone admires so much. I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t pay it if I still lived in WNY but it’s not all that different from the ‘$ due at signing’ fine print on that new car lease. Sure, your monthly payment is lower but you pay thousands up front to reduce it and in the end you don’t own the car. 

That’s the tricky part though isn’t it? I don’t know because I haven’t dealt with PSLs in the past. But doesn’t it mean that because you paid the PSL you own the seat. So in the even if a concert, or monster truck rally, or any other sort of show there, aren’t those your tickets if you chose to buy them? 

[nucci]

25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Welcome to the future. If you read the article in the Buffalo News you’ll see this is the new normal in all of those cities with those new stadiums that everyone admires so much. I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t pay it if I still lived in WNY but it’s not all that different from the ‘$ due at signing’ fine print on that new car lease. Sure, your monthly payment is lower but you pay thousands up front to reduce it and in the end you don’t own the car. 

I understand how things work. I just don't agree with them...also, don't lease a car. Buy it

[PBF81]

30 minutes ago, mrags said:

That’s the tricky part though isn’t it? I don’t know because I haven’t dealt with PSLs in the past. But doesn’t it mean that because you paid the PSL you own the seat. So in the even if a concert, or monster truck rally, or any other sort of show there, aren’t those your tickets if you chose to buy them? 

 

That's a great question.  I wonder what the answer is.  

 

I hate the whole PSL thing on concept, nothing but a money grab by people with money.  On principle, I don't care what it is, but I would never pay for a PSL.  

 

I'm curious how the ticket sale process is going to go.  PSLs, about twice the current ticket prices on top of that, all being done by an out-of-town corporation.  

 

I've done aftermarkets, but if it's going to be near $1,000 for me and one of my family to go see a game, I'll find something else to do with that money, on principle if nothing else.  I could watch the game from home and hire someone to wait on me hand and foot for that kind of money, with plenty leftover.  I'm also not sitting in the upper deck corners.  

 

But apparently there's plenty of interest although I'm not sure that most fans realize what the new costs of attending a game are going to be.  

 

Many were balking at a 12% hike, well this is going to be a whole lot more than 12%, closer to 100%.

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by PBF81

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

it will probably play out like it does in other cities. The regular fans either don't buy the PSLs or they agree to and then default on them. Corporations will buy them though and resell the decent seats at a premium.

 

The "real fans" will be relegated to the high upper corners/endzones. The middle sideline seats, upper and lower will be sparsely filled, especially in poor weather games, by people who overpaid for them, typically opposing fans.

 

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thats how you end up with the Cowboys amazing stadium filled with 49er fans... Pegula aspires to be like Jerry Jones so he's bringing that here to Orchard Park.

 

 

 

Thanks for the Intel.  Discouraging though.  

 

If it plays out that way, I would imagine that our fans are going to have a different opinion of the situation once that reality kicks in.  

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by PBF81

[nucci]

9 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

it will probably play out like it does in other cities. The regular fans either don't buy the PSLs or they agree to and then default on them. Corporations will buy them though and resell the decent seats at a premium.

 

The "real fans" will be relegated to the high upper corners/endzones. The middle sideline seats, upper and lower will be sparsely filled, especially in poor weather games, by people who overpaid for them, typically opposing fans.

 

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thats how you end up with the Cowboys amazing stadium filled with 49er fans... Pegula aspires to be like Jerry Jones so he's bringing that here to Orchard Park.

 

 

remember when new yankee stadium opened. All lower seats behind home plate and around the dugout were empty. Fans couldn't afford them

[mrags]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

That's a great question.  I wonder what the answer is.  

 

I hate the whole PSL thing on concept, nothing but a money grab by people with money.  On principle, I don't care what it is, but I would never pay for a PSL.  

 

I'm curious how the ticket sale process is going to go.  PSLs, about twice the current ticket prices on top of that, all being done by an out-of-town corporation.  

 

I've done aftermarkets, but if it's going to be near $1,000 for me and one of my family to go see a game, I'll find something else to do with that money, on principle if nothing else.  I could watch the game from home and hire someone to wait on me hand and foot for that kind of money, with plenty leftover.  I'm also not sitting in the upper deck corners.  

 

But apparently there's plenty of interest although I'm not sure that most fans realize what the new costs of attending a game are going to be.  

 

Many were balking at a 12% hike, well this is going to be a whole lot more than 12%, closer to 100%.

 

 

You are 100% on that. Just about everything you said. I keep saying it and have to keep reminding people. Prepare to be disappointed. That’s not just the stadium being built. It’s the process of how they are doing it. It’s the costs that are going to come with it. Everything. If the public funding was to cover much of stadium costs and everything then they shouldn’t have to force the PSLs. Or if they did that, then they shouldn’t have to increase ticket prices by 100%. 
 

again, time will tell on all of this. I think people are going to be in for a rude awakening. We will see I guess. 

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, nucci said:

I understand how things work. I just don't agree with them...also, don't lease a car. Buy it

You are aware it doesn’t change the price you pay, right? It just moves a really good hunk of the payment up front. It’s similar to income tax. You pay the same amount at the bottom of the form whether you get a refund or write a check on April 15th. The only difference is whether the government held your money for you throughout the year. 😉

[Saxum]

Bills will probably need to rescind the zip code season ticket sales rule to get enough PSLs sold although their "marketing partners" (ticket agencies and resellers) will probably buy a bunch.  

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

Bills will probably need to rescind the zip code season ticket sales rule to get enough PSLs sold although their "marketing partners" (ticket agencies and resellers) will probably buy a bunch.  

That will probably be the first step of they have trouble getting people to bite on the PSL and increased tix prices. That’s about all it’ll take really. They know that brokers will easily buy them and make a killing off then. If people go from ST holder and attending every game a year to not being able to afford it anymore, look for people to go all out once or twice a year instead and buy tix in the secondary market 

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

it will probably play out like it does in other cities. The regular fans either don't buy the PSLs or they agree to and then default on them. Corporations will buy them though and resell the decent seats at a premium.

 

The "real fans" will be relegated to the high upper corners/endzones. The middle sideline seats, upper and lower will be sparsely filled, especially in poor weather games, by people who overpaid for them, typically opposing fans.

 

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thats how you end up with the Cowboys amazing stadium filled with 49er fans... Pegula aspires to be like Jerry Jones so he's bringing that here to Orchard Park.

 

 

More terrible takes

 

If Pegula want to be Jerry Jones he would’ve built the $2 billion palace

 

He’s building a football stadium that will be filled

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

 Jerry Jones is his best friend of all the owners and someone he looks up to. 

 

and how I described PSLs is entirely accurate. 

 

 

You’re gonna be able to get a PSL for 500-600 dollars For some seats … You’re gonna be able to get a PSL and season tickets for some seats for under $1600-1700

 

You will still be able to buy individual tickets for 100 bucks… Going through Ticketmaster is why people pay way more

 

Go to the bills box office

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

yah....

 

with a good view of the parking lot

are you Mr I need to sit on the 50 yard line or I won’t go to a game ?

 

First of all there’s not one bad site line at Ralph Wilson stadium… Not one

 

I’ve been in every section… Best site lines in the NFL

 

The new stadium is going to be built with great site lines in mind…

 

Second I have Been to plenty of games up in the 300s with my father growing up … And I never thought damn this sucks I’m so high up… Let alone, never be able to see 

 

You literally talk out your butt

 

Third…. They say they will have tickets in the upper bowl between the 20-40 for like 700 psl and 800-900 ticket 

 

That’s perfectly reasonable and you’re not looking at the parking lot 

 

I look forward to you not going to the games

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by Buffalo716