DefenseWins Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 https://www.wivb.com/sports/buffalo-bills-stadium-discussions/seneca-nation-leaders-and-community-speaking-out-about-the-governors-plan-to-use-casino-compact-money-for-the-new-stadium/ Perhaps it could be named Bills/Seneca Nation Field?
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, dwight in philly said: Everything i read, like anybody else on here , is that the usual NYC blowhards are making a stink .. frustrating for sure, but the State has a surplus due to unused Covid funds. All posturing , IMHO The who? Anyway, it's not about having extra money around this year, it's about what is the best use of public money.
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The who? Anyway, it's not about having extra money around this year, it's about what is the best use of public money. The very best use of public money is construction. The money stays local, is immediately multiplied back out into the private sector economy and the community gets an asset that’ll generally last for decades. Can anyone name a better use? Edited March 31, 2022 by SoCal Deek 1
dwight in philly Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The who? Anyway, it's not about having extra money around this year, it's about what is the best use of public money. I agree , not disputing anything , was just offering my opinion about the downstate politicos , thats all.. sorry if you took it wrong 1
BADOLBILZ Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 4 hours ago, DefenseWins said: https://www.wivb.com/sports/buffalo-bills-stadium-discussions/seneca-nation-leaders-and-community-speaking-out-about-the-governors-plan-to-use-casino-compact-money-for-the-new-stadium/ Perhaps it could be named Bills/Seneca Nation Field? Maybe. I'm guessing they won't be interested in paying for naming rights in this moment of anger.............but you never know.........taking money from people's vice's ranks just barely above stealing it outright........so I don't think principle should be an issue for a well run gaming company. It's about the next buck. 1 1
Simon Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I want the Bills to get their stadium but hopefully not to cut 800M from Family and Children services to get it. https://cnycentral.com/news/local/hochuls-proposed-nys-budget-cuts-children-and-family-services-funding-by-800m 7 minutes ago, f0neguy said: I read somewhere that the $800m being cut were provided by the Feds as a Covid bonus last year. Didn’t have it prior to Covid not getting it any more. 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You are aware that you don't buy a new stadium on Amazon right? It doesn't get built in China and delivered to your porch. It's built by hard working, blue collar construction workers, who buy construction materials from other hard working blue collar local product manufacturers.....who use the fruit of their work to buy yet more stuff....and wait for it..... to feed their children so that THEY DO NOT END UP ON THE FAMILY AND CHILDREN SERVICES logs.....right? I'm getting tired of repeatedly cleaning this nonsense out of this Buffalo Bills thread. Stow it, you sumbitches. 2
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The very best use of public money is construction. The money stays local, is immediately multiplied back out into the private sector economy and the community gets an asset that’ll generally last for decades. Can anyone name a better use? Than a publicly funded NFL stadium? The funded stadium as a local economic stimulant has been disproven for years---and it has been posted one here endlessly. Considering how they are used (spare us the tired old "stadium concerts and bowl games" stuff), it an extremely limited use object that generates zero revenue for nearly every day of its existence. It's an asset that has almost no value other than to it's sole rent paying tenant for which it was built. 1
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Than a publicly funded NFL stadium? The funded stadium as a local economic stimulant has been disproven for years---and it has been posted one here endlessly. Considering how they are used (spare us the tired old "stadium concerts and bowl games" stuff), it an extremely limited use object that generates zero revenue for nearly every day of its existence. It's an asset that has almost no value other than to it's sole rent paying tenant for which it was built. I believe you misread my post. I am not talking about the eventual use of the stadium....but thanks.
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I believe you misread my post. I am not talking about the eventual use of the stadium....but thanks. So construction for construction's sake? Just build something to reap some small local bump unto the project is completed? Why not build something with value? You get the construction period increase in the local economy ands then the intrinsic value the structure you paid to have built? Isn't that intuitively a better way to spend the money?
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm getting tired of repeatedly cleaning this nonsense out of this Buffalo Bills thread. Stow it, you sumbitches. With all due moderator respect....this single thread is devoted to the recent stadium financing deal. As best as I've been able to read, almost all of the comments (both pro and con) have been limited to that very topic, and it feels like everyone has been rather respectful....even in their varied opinions. My two cents. Just now, Mr. WEO said: So construction for construction's sake? Just build something to reap some small local bump unto the project is completed? Why not build something with value? You get the construction period increase in the local economy ands then the intrinsic value the structure you paid to have built? Isn't that intuitively a better way to spend the money? Thanks! Now we're on the same topic. 🙂 Yes, in general construction projects are an excellent expenditure of public money. Some people think the funds are poured down the drain. They aren't. Construction projects take tax money and put them immediately back in the private sector from which the tax money came in the first place, with only a small fraction going to public administration.
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: With all due moderator respect....this single thread is devoted to the recent stadium financing deal. As best as I've been able to read, almost all of the comments (both pro and con) have been limited to that very topic, and it feels like everyone has been rather respectful....even in their varied opinions. My two cents. Thanks! Now we're on the same topic. 🙂 Yes, in general construction projects are an excellent expenditure of public money. Some people think the funds are poured down the drain. They aren't. Construction projects take tax money and put them immediately back in the private sector from which the tax money came in the first place, with only a small fraction going to public administration. Agreed, but constructing this is pouring public money into the drain. Its a 1.35 billion monument to what amounts to extortion. Build the same amount in housing. Instant value to many who actually helped fund it, that last way beyond the trucks pulling away and the ribbon cutting. 1
Simon Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: With all due moderator respect....this single thread is devoted to the recent stadium financing deal. As best as I've been able to read, almost all of the comments (both pro and con) have been limited to that very topic, and it feels like everyone has been rather respectful....even in their varied opinions. Until folks start posting manufactured faux political articles and hollering about how THEY DO NOT END UP ON THE FAMILY AND CHILDREN SERVICES in all caps, which drags the thread into the kind of irrelevant political screaming matches about made-up bullspit that 90% of the Bills fans in this community don't want polluting their forum. So pretty please, with sugar in top, stow that ****.
Ralonzo Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 5 hours ago, DefenseWins said: https://www.wivb.com/sports/buffalo-bills-stadium-discussions/seneca-nation-leaders-and-community-speaking-out-about-the-governors-plan-to-use-casino-compact-money-for-the-new-stadium/ Perhaps it could be named Bills/Seneca Nation Field? That, or Heron Menthol Stadium?
Lost Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) How they extrapolate "majority of NY voters" from a poll sample size of 812 is a bit of a stretch. The poll operator is clearly a Jets fan Edited April 1, 2022 by Lost 1
SoCal Deek Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Simon said: Until folks start posting manufactured faux political articles and hollering about how THEY DO NOT END UP ON THE FAMILY AND CHILDREN SERVICES in all caps, which drags the thread into the kind of irrelevant political screaming matches about made-up bullspit that 90% of the Bills fans in this community don't want polluting their forum. So pretty please, with sugar in top, stow that ****. Good luck Go Bills 1
The Wiz Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lost said: When people don't enjoy the spoils they have a tendency to complain about it. Edited April 1, 2022 by The Wiz 2 2
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lost said: How they extrapolate "majority of NY voters" from a poll sample size of 812 is a bit of a stretch. The poll operator is clearly a Jets fan The majority of voters would oppose virtually every government expenditure if they were asked about them separately. The premise of the article is complete garbage. Edited April 1, 2022 by HereComesTheReignAgain 4 1
JoPoy88 Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: The majority of voters would oppose virtually every government expenditure if they were asked about them separately. That premise of the article is complete garbage. the Post in general is complete garbage. 1
BuffaloBob Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 9:19 PM, PromoTheRobot said: They aren't getting $350MM in seat licences. I will guess those are worth $120MM. ($2000 avg PSL X 60,000) I know, but they will certainly offset any likely overruns.
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