McDermott: "We need to evolve"...sounds like he wants fewer designed Allen runs

[Don Otreply]

18 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I think it may be shown this season that Allen made Daboll as opposed to vice versa.

Allen bailed out Dabol on a regular basis, for example; the KC playoff game this past season. 

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, buffblue said:

This is true. The good news is that Allen is 10 times the passer that Cam ever was.

 

Can you believe that in his MVP season he was a sub 60 percent thrower? And 2015 was by far his best. Newton reminds of Ryan Miller when he played for the Sabres - 1 standout year (in Miller's case 2009-2010) and then decidedly average otherwise.

As Bruce Arians said, "He's more like Cam Newton, but with a bigger and stronger arm.”  I really don't want any more designed runs for Allen because he's more than capable of picking a defense apart with his arm.  Newton wasn't.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Says they need to do right by Allen and do right by the team...

 

Maybe that was part of the rift that was reported with Daboll?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mcdermott-prefer-josh-allen-010459938.html

There's a 20 page topic about some help for Josh. Lol

[buffblue]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

As Bruce Arians said, "He's more like Cam Newton, but with a bigger and stronger arm.”  I really don't want any more designed runs for Allen because he's more than capable of picking a defense apart with his arm.  Newton wasn't.

Totally agree

[PonyBoy]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

McDermott saw what happened to Cam first hand.  It's a cautionary tale the Bills need to learn real quick.  Article from 2016....

 

 Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton has taken a beating in his NFL career, far more than any quarterback in recent history. And suddenly, at the still-young age of 27, Newton is facing the first flash point between playing style and long-term future.

 

Newton is officially cleared to return from a concussion suffered when he tried scrambling into the end zone in Week 4. The play, and his subsequent one-game absence, was a reminder that no quarterback -- not even one who broke into the league with a patented "Superman" celebration -- can indefinitely absorb unnecessary punishment without consequence.?

 

Ahead of Sunday's game in New Orleans, let's take a closer look at what Newton has exposed his body to during his six-year career. The Panthers say they won't limit his running or impose a fundamental change in their offense, but we'll consider a suggestion for lessening the toll nonetheless.

 

Newton has been hit on 831 plays over 82 games in his career, an average of about 10 per game. The number may sound small, but it is actually extraordinary in the context of other quarterbacks. The next-closest quarterback has taken nearly 300 fewer hits over the same time period. This tally includes every play he has been hit on while either on the run or while throwing, but it is capped at one hit per play and doesn't include contact after the throw or on two-point conversions.

 

Since 2011, the Panthers have called more than twice the number of designed runs for Newton than any other team has for another quarterback. And they have resulted in 1,941 rushing yards, more than double Russell Wilson's 833. Nearly two-thirds of Newton's designed QB runs have gone between the guards, where maximum contact occurs. Newton also has taken off on more scrambles -- runs when a pass play breaks down -- than anyone but Wilson over this span. In all, Newton has been hit at least once on 533 of 575 plays that were either designed runs or meaningful scrambles in his career.

Short and sweet here. Cam ran so much because he stunk as a passer! The same cannot be said about Josh. Let Josh scramble, but designed run plays made me wince on many occasions. 

[CoudyBills]

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Allen bailed out Dabol on a regular basis, for example; the KC playoff game this past season. 

I just read some guy on Twitter talking about how Daboll bailed Josh out in that game because Josh can make post snap reads.  

 

Edit: Tyler Menting

Edited March 27, 2022 by CoudyBills
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[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

McDermott saw what happened to Cam first hand.  It's a cautionary tale the Bills need to learn real quick.  Article from 2016....

 

 Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton has taken a beating in his NFL career, far more than any quarterback in recent history. And suddenly, at the still-young age of 27, Newton is facing the first flash point between playing style and long-term future.

 

Newton is officially cleared to return from a concussion suffered when he tried scrambling into the end zone in Week 4. The play, and his subsequent one-game absence, was a reminder that no quarterback -- not even one who broke into the league with a patented "Superman" celebration -- can indefinitely absorb unnecessary punishment without consequence.?

 

Ahead of Sunday's game in New Orleans, let's take a closer look at what Newton has exposed his body to during his six-year career. The Panthers say they won't limit his running or impose a fundamental change in their offense, but we'll consider a suggestion for lessening the toll nonetheless.

 

Newton has been hit on 831 plays over 82 games in his career, an average of about 10 per game. The number may sound small, but it is actually extraordinary in the context of other quarterbacks. The next-closest quarterback has taken nearly 300 fewer hits over the same time period. This tally includes every play he has been hit on while either on the run or while throwing, but it is capped at one hit per play and doesn't include contact after the throw or on two-point conversions.

 

Since 2011, the Panthers have called more than twice the number of designed runs for Newton than any other team has for another quarterback. And they have resulted in 1,941 rushing yards, more than double Russell Wilson's 833. Nearly two-thirds of Newton's designed QB runs have gone between the guards, where maximum contact occurs. Newton also has taken off on more scrambles -- runs when a pass play breaks down -- than anyone but Wilson over this span. In all, Newton has been hit at least once on 533 of 575 plays that were either designed runs or meaningful scrambles in his career.

 

 Go through Cam's career and watch the hits he took over and over again. He repeatedly got blown up inside the pocket and while running in the open field. The hits Josh has taken vs the hits Cam took are completely different. Josh deals out the punishment in most instances. Heck he's probably hurt more defenders than they've hurt him.

 

 The offense is a completely different animal when Josh starts to run. I thought Josh did a much better job getting down or going out of bounds until late in the season and the playoffs when we absolutely needed it. I would agree though with less designed runs, but more scrambles. Those are usually his biggest runs.

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[boater]

There is an anecdote from the early days of Tom Brady...

 

He used to take off and scramble quite a bit. Belichick told him to the effect of "if you want to last in this league, you have to stop doing that" ..and like that, Tom Brady stopped scrambling. Now here he is today playing at 44 years old.

 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

Majority of the reason JA runs or has to run is due to a weak run game!! Singletary is not a legitimate 3 down back. He’s a legit 3rd down back. This team hasn’t had a legit ground team in nearly a decade. It’s pretty clear.

[Apocalypse Nuts]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Sounds like a Bobby Johnson issue.  17 has been our best short yardage back and that has to change. 

Yeah, sounds like you have/had a Bobby Johnson issue.

[ddaryl]

I'm not a fan of QB designed runs during the regular season. Especially at the rate we use them.  I know Allen is a weapon but we will all be weeping if it causes the unthinkable.

Scrambles are necessary when things break down or Allen can see a clean route. 

 

[BillsSbSoon]

Definitely relieved reading his comments. I feared they were going to run him into the ground like cam newton. 

The designed runs were getting out of hand. We dont want josh breaking down at 30, id never forgive mcdermott for that. Glad to know they recognize it now

[Doc Brown]

9 minutes ago, boater said:

There is an anecdote from the early days of Tom Brady...

 

He used to take off and scramble quite a bit. Belichick told him to the effect of "if you want to last in this league, you have to stop doing that" ..and like that, Tom Brady stopped scrambling. Now here he is today playing at 44 years old.

 

 

I'm guessing this was the catalyst

 

 

[Buffalo716]

32 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Designed runs never really worked well for us anyway. What makes Allen such a good runner, is when he drops back, scans the field and THEN runs. 

I think it was a game by game thing

 

The last half of the season the designed quarterback Powers were ripping.. Josh was picking up 8-10 yards a chunk

 

Then there was some games early in the season where they weren't working at all

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

11 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Majority of the reason JA runs or has to run is due to a weak run game!! Singletary is not a legitimate 3 down back. He’s a legit 3rd down back. This team hasn’t had a legit ground team in nearly a decade. It’s pretty clear.

Allen is still living in that Youthful Invulnerability mode.

 

He rarely gives up on any play.  Sometimes that results in an incredible scramble and run or a scramble/pass completion or a very weird looking interception thrown while falling backwards.

 

he hasn’t really paid the price for not giving up on a play whether that be in turnovers or injury.

 

The NFL has a way though of the law of averages always balancing out.

 

you look at somebody like Brady who gets mocked out for doing it but what does Brady do the second play a play blows up he throws the ball right into the dirt.

 

Live to fight another day.  He’s learned that the game doesn’t have to be won on the second drive of the first quarter.

 

For Ellen running there’s only so much the coaches can do because they can’t control what he’s gonna do when a play breaks down and goes off script.

 

eventually you will assume that Allen. will learn due to age injury or just experience…

Edited March 27, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[boater]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm guessing this was the catalyst

 

 

Oooff. He got his clock cleaned good.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, julian said:

Limit designed QB runs to inside the opposing 10 yard line… and give Josh the green light to take off on his own whenever he sees fit

Josh will always have the green light to scramble when flushed out. But the sheer volume of qb designed runs have to decrease. Get a good complimentary back (Hall/Walker) with Devin and Kromer will design better run schemes.  The goal is to keep 17 upright. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm guessing this was the catalyst

 

 

Eh Brady scrambled the most times in his career at age 29 

 

And his second most is at the age of 34

 

Brady never looks to run unless it's open and I don't think that hit changed anything 

 

Tom actually took it like a champ

 

 

 

[QCity]

That might be the smartest thing he's said as a head coach. Build a running game and let your RB take the abuse, not your QB.

[DJB]

1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said:

Singletary was picking it up when he was given feature back carries at the end of the year but I agree we need something else to put us over the top.

 

Scat type back that doesn't instill fear into opposing defenses. Cant catch either. 

 

Time to upgrade