PromoTheRobot Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 9:29 PM, oldmanfan said: Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. Expand Good thing we didn't clean house like everyone wanted. 2 Quote
boater Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 10:40 PM, The Wiz said: On 3/24/2022 at 10:27 PM, IronMaidenBills said: Shout, shout, let it all out. These are the things I can do without. Expand Expand What a classic. 2 1 Quote
Saxum Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 10:13 PM, Beast said: Funny how you think it was Littman. Unless Ralph Wilson's alias was Littman you are wrong. Expand You just proved opposite. You are always wrong. Quote
klos63 Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 10:13 PM, Beast said: Funny how you think it was Littman. Unless Ralph Wilson's alias was Littman you are wrong. Expand I think it was pretty well known back then that Littman was very influential with Wilson on how to spend, it rarely worked out well. Quote
boater Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 10:58 PM, klos63 said: I think it was pretty well known back then that Littman was very influential with Wilson on how to spend, it rarely worked out well. Expand Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? Quote
TAinLack. Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 10:53 PM, boater said: What a classic. Expand Love "Everybody wants to rule the World". 1 Quote
White Linen Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 10:09 PM, Georgie said: With a salary cap,what do you mean "letting him and Beane spend"? Are you referring to paying bonuses up- front? It's the same amount of money overall. That can get you into a bad cap situation but Beane is keeping it under cmder control. Expand Ralph was a "cash to the cap" owner. Restructuring allows for the base salary to be lowered and the player gets money up front that's amortized over the remaining length of the contract. Pegula's are willing to allow that, Ralph wouldn't. Quote
Saxum Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 11:08 PM, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? Expand Depends on which problem. Overdorf was responsible making sure Bills were covered putting clauses in contact if players did something crazy like drag racing on county streets. Lots of agents pulled wool over his eyes. Quote
oldmanfan Posted March 24, 2022 Author Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 11:08 PM, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? Expand I always felt Littman was poisonous to the organization 1 Quote
klos63 Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 11:08 PM, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? Expand almost positive it was Littman. Quote
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 9:34 PM, Captain_Quint said: Ralph was cheap. Expand Ralph is dead the this is old Quote
Utah John Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 The tricks used to stay under the salary cap often involve more money going out early on, with that upfront payment counting toward all the years of the contract. Millions of dollars of future salaries get converted to bonuses that get paid NOW. Doing that requires the Pegulas to approve large payments, well above the salary cap in most years. I've never seen any indication that Beane's hands are tied -- the Pegulas are letting him spend spend spend if that's what it takes. Quote
ganesh Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 9:33 PM, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Fair enough. It does look like they're pulling out every tool in the 🧰 this year, and we don't look TOO terrible for future years. Expand They will get choked when they have to pay Diggs, Knox, Edmunds and Oliver. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 9:29 PM, oldmanfan said: Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. Expand Yeah, but I think Littman was just doing what RW instructed him to do. Quote
eee1776 Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 Speaking of cap, is there anything they can do with Edmonds cap at 12 mil plus? Quote
MJS Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 3:08 AM, eee1776 said: Speaking of cap, is there anything they can do with Edmonds cap at 12 mil plus? Expand It's a fifth year option. Unless they trade him, there's nothing you can do with that, I'm pretty sure. Quote
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) On 3/25/2022 at 3:15 AM, MJS said: It's a fifth year option. Unless they trade him, there's nothing you can do with that, I'm pretty sure. Expand Correct, unless they do a new deal with extension Edited March 25, 2022 by YoloinOhio Quote
ProcessAccepted Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 9:34 PM, Captain_Quint said: Ralph was cheap. Expand Ralph wasn't perfect as few of us are. There's several things that I can point to as weaknesses with him and his ownership of the club. That said there are so many more positives than those. I don't think the AFL would have survived without him and there would be no Buffalo Bills today. I for one am grateful to Ralph and now the Pegula's for keeping this team in Buffalo and resisting the pressure to leave for a larger market. 1 Quote
Rico Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 11:08 PM, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? Expand The problem was always Ralph. 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 What happened during the Ralph Wilson years is over. All that matters now is Brandon Beane is the GM and he sets the parameters in which the FO works. Overdorf works under those guidelines and does a great job doing so. Quote
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