How $40M QBs like Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott are losing the offseason

[Buffalo_Stampede]

You have to look at cap % over amount. 10 years ago Calvin Johnson signed a deal that took up 13.3%. Tyreek Hills deal is at 12% and that’s with the cap being much lower than expected.

 

As long as revenues keep rising contracts will rise along with it. Pretty simple.

Edited March 24, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[DCofNC]

11 hours ago, hmsmystic said:

This article makes some good points- these huge QB really deals can harm teams caps.  I am not sure what other options there are...I mean you have to pay Josh Allen..

Very concerning watching this gross receiver money-- what are we going to have to pay for Diggs??

 

I honestly don’t think they will keep Diggs on a long term contract.  The same thing that happened to RBs is about to hit with WRs.  Teams that pay 25M+ for one guy to touch the ball 10 times a game are going to find out it’s not worth it.  The values will head back to reality. The difference between a WR being great or just pretty good is the QB throwing them the ball.  There are elite talents out there, Adams appears to be one, Hill is completely unique and Deebo does things no one else does, aside from them, maybe Kupp and Hopkins?  
 

Without Allen, Diggs was good, now he gets CALLED great.  He’s not.  Justin Jefferson stepped into his spot and out produced everything Diggs had done in Minn as a rookie, and backed it up the next year.  Diggs got Allen and BARELY had more yards than Jefferson as a rookie.  Look at what Allen has done with nobodies, he got 1k out of John Brown who proved to be a fringe NFL player as he left.  He got Beasley the most yards he’s ever had (almost 1k), he made people believe Robert Foster was a NFL player.  He was the man behind getting our 4th round WR a 225 yard game in the playoffs.  
 

Allen will make WRs, just like Brady did.  Give him reasonably good ones, he will make them look great, give him Randy Moss and it’s not even fair.  How many big time WRs did Brady have through his Patriots career? 1.  Brady made the rest of them.  How many rings does he have.. a lot.  Diggs is not Randy Moss, he’s more the mold of a Welker who was good before Brady and considered a HOF player with him.  
 

I see the Bills drafting WRs and pushing them into action, along with signing guys like Crowder, Sanders etc, who want a chance to shine.  If Davis comes on this season, I’d bet you see Steph get a rework of his contract to get him more money up front and a set up to unload him when they need to resign Davis, they keep the younger guy, let Steph go get paid big money by some other team at 30+ years old and move on. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

[CountDorkula]

2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year

also the Owner paying Brady for Non NFL related business helped.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/

 

The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap.

Edited March 24, 2022 by CountDorkula

[TBBills]

13 hours ago, recovery96 said:

And how are we not part of this?

Bills have not had anyone that wanted to be the highest paid in history.

That is the actual truth. Has nothing to do with the QBs contract and more to do with them not wanting to overpay WRs who want an unreasonable amount of money. Those guys usually go to bad teams who won't ever win a Super Bowl.

 

 

Green Bay and Chiefs could have kept both WR if those WR didn't want the biggest contracts in history.

Edited March 24, 2022 by TBBills

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

13 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I have no doubt KC could have kept Hill. This is 100% them saying "get what we can, while we can". 

 

I'm not sure they are better this year for it, but they will be in 2 years probably. 

I agree with you.  Hill's shelf life is about to expire.  His performance has been up and down.  He's had the type of nagging injuries (hamstring, foot, back) that players like him tend to have as they get older.  He is not a good route runner and tends to free lance, causing problems for the offence and Mahomes.  KC knows Hill better than anyone else and the fact that they are ready to move on should tell the rest of us something.  Additionally, Miami is notoriously known for making really dumb transactions, so it should not be surprising to any of us that KC sought them out as a trade partner.  IMHO, Miami paid way more for this WR than they should have.  This whole transaction smells like another Steven Ross special. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

The Bills are on deck for something similar, just a year or two or three away....you can manipulate the cap for a while but it is also real

Yep. Diggs will be 30 I think entering the 2023 season and carry a $18M cap hit and a dead cap of only $4M I think. Do we sign him to an extension into his 30’s to lower his cap hit or trade him for a couple of early draft picks?

[stevewin]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The en vogue on TSW thing to say now is the "cap isn't real" BS...good luck with that delusion.  Its very real, and it takes great GM management to navigate it in both contracts given to which players, structure, etc along with how they draft and find value in lesser signings.

 

It's fine to say "the cap can be manipulated" but all the people saying the cap isn't real are delusional.  Players constantly have to be let go or not re-signed because of the cap.  How is that not real?

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, stevewin said:

It's fine to say "the cap can be manipulated" but all the people saying the cap isn't real are delusional.  Players constantly have to be let go or not re-signed because of the cap.  How is that not real?

Well put

[aristocrat]

3 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year

 

from 2006 until 2015 brady earned about 35 mil less than peyton on a cash year by year. so little more than 3 mil per year less.  Let's not act like he was taking so much less that it was criminal.  peyton 165 mil brady 129 mil

[Yobogoya!]

I think it's pretty telling how many elite quarterbacks playing on a market value contract have won the SB over the last 20 years. 

 

Aside from Brady's Tampa ring and maybe Peyton's year with the Bronco's, are there any others? I think Roethlisberger signed a new contract before his second SB win, but I can't recall whether that was a top tier contract or not. Rodgers got a new post-rookie deal before winning his ring, but that deal didn't even come close to what Romo had gotten the year before, so I'm sure that wasn't top dollar for the time either. 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

I think the Adams and Hill deals have nothing to do with the cap at all, so the premise that Mahomes and Rodgers getting paid led to their best WRs being let go is false. 

 

Green Bay offered Adams MORE than the Raiders. He just wanted to be on the 4th place team in a division instead of 1st. Nothing GB could do. Take the picks in a loaded WR draft. 

 

Kansas City offered Hill huge money (top 3 WR in the NFL money) but if you read their forums a bit there have been issues between Tyreek and KC regarding his contract off and on the past couple years. Either way, he wasn't let go because of the cap. Again, take the picks in a loaded WR draft. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Brennan Huff]

57 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

from 2006 until 2015 brady earned about 35 mil less than peyton on a cash year by year. so little more than 3 mil per year less.  Let's not act like he was taking so much less that it was criminal.  peyton 165 mil brady 129 mil

Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money…

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money…

and he did so because the Pats were pretty much circumventing teh salary cap by paying Brady Non NFL related money for Brady owned PT.

[Brennan Huff]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

and he did so because the Pats were pretty much circumventing teh salary cap by paying Brady Non NFL related money for Brady owned PT.

I really don’t know much about this. I’m sorry

[HOUSE]

What we need is much lower salaries and super cheap tickets.

 

This will solve everything, thanks

[aristocrat]

16 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money…

36 mil is a lot of money but 3.5 mil per year over 10 years is like a backup guard or d tackle. It’s not like he took so much less that they could sign a legit stud.  People just want to believe strange things 

[CountDorkula]

25 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

I really don’t know much about this. I’m sorry

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/

[nucci]

30 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

What we need is much lower salaries and super cheap tickets.

 

This will solve everything, thanks

the new stadium with help with this

[RyanC883]

On 3/23/2022 at 10:40 PM, Turk71 said:

DL Chris Jones has a $27 million cap hit for KC

He's a great player but ...$27 mil?

 

  

  I'm still disgusted the Bills passed on KCs franchise C, rated #1 C in the entire league in his rookie year, for a backup DE last draft. Beane said he took bpa (wrong) because they had no needs. Who needs an interior offensive line? Morse was rated 25th last season. 

I really need to let that go I guess.😜

 

I’m still not over it.   !