Chad Hall at Ohio State pro day

[TheBrownBear]

26 minutes ago, PonyBoy said:

 

I see where you're going with this, but Diggs is a bird in the hand. Gels well with Allen/ Buffalo. Will probably be cool with a re-structured deal. Don't mess with the Ju Ju. 

I agree and we are clearly in "win now" mode with the Miller signing, so I don't see anything like this happening.  But it's a fun exercise to consider a shorter sure-fire window now vs. a potentially longer window albeit with the risk of the unknown attached to it.  

[ndirish1978]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I really want to hear the overall plan for those who dont want a corner at 25

 

I know ppl like their shiny new toys but this is not about that.....we have a 17 game schedule and NO starting corner at the moment

 

If Olave is the pick I would want to sign James Bradberry then draft Gordon, McCreary, Woolen in the 2nd or one of the CBs regarded to go in the 3rd like Taylor-Britt or Alonte Taylor.

[Jerboski]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Building for the future means noticing top end WR’s are going for mid-tier QB money.   You better keep the refrigerator full.  
 

We can find corners in Rounds 2 & 3.  How big of a difference do you believe CB25 is over CB57 in the grand scheme of our future?  
 

It’s all about pass rush.  You need solid corner play, but we’ve been smoked by top offenses with healthy Tre.   We can find solid corner play deeper into the draft than RD1. 

This… plus sean is notorious for developing corners, take one in the second or third and it will be fine 

 

don’t need it at 25 unless sauce some how falls 

[atlbillsfan1975]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I really want to hear the overall plan for those who dont want a corner at 25

 

I know ppl like their shiny new toys but this is not about that.....we have a 17 game schedule and NO starting corner at the moment

The thought is that Beane and McDermott might feel they can find and coach talent in rounds 2-7 that is good enough to win with at CB. CB is the one position I have little concern Beane and McDermott will get right. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

The thought is that Beane and McDermott might feel they can find and coach talent in rounds 2-7 that is good enough to win with at CB. CB is the one position I feel Beane and McDermott will figure out. 

This has been my argument for a few seasons now. And it always seems to be reality. McD has a knack for developing corners. Goes all the way back to his Carolina days. It’s the one position that he can find someone raw with good traits and he will turn them into something sooner rather than later. I’d be ok with a corner in 2 only if we take a receiver in 1. 

[PonyBoy]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

I agree and we are clearly in "win now" mode with the Miller signing, so I don't see anything like this happening.  But it's a fun exercise to consider a shorter sure-fire window now vs. a potentially longer window albeit with the risk of the unknown attached to it.  

 

Common denominator....? Josh freaking Allen! The possibilities and options are endless with him at the helm. 

[whorlnut]

Wonder if Hall will make a pit stop in at Happy Valley tomorrow to see Dotson before he returns to Buffalo?

[Donuts and Doritos]

As I recall it wasn't WR position that cost us the KC game. It was our CBs not being able to stop KC in regulation multiple times or overtime once. WR is deep. (Diggs was a 5th, Davis a 4th). We don't have enough CBs on the roster to play & no legit CB2 + Trey may not be ready to start the season. W/ the arms race in the AFC if we don't dramatically improve CB2 our D gets torched. We would have to score 50+ & hope to either get the ball last or win a coin flip in the playoffs. I saw how that turned out in KC & would rather NOT relive it. We are all in this year. So let's get a shut down CB2 & get it done.

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

This draft is extremely important because now that the WR1 market has gone off the rails, it will be incredibly hard to keep Diggs.

 

If we draft a WR in the 1st round, it may upset him. If we don't draft a WR in the 1st round, we can address needs at CB but we may get pinched as he may get upset we aren't giving him as much as the top 3 at WR and be short.

 

If we win the Super Bowl, then all of this is moot. However, if we do not, tough decisions must be made down the road and Diggs has been such a champion of the team that I don't want to see it turn bad. Hope for the best I guess...

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

Good. 
 

While the knee jerk reaction to the Hill trade and our CB depth is to take a Cornerback at 25, I think all this WR movement tells us that the pick needs to be a Wide Receiver. 
 

Taking McDuffie, Booth etc at 25 isn’t stopping Tyreek Hill.   We can’t even single cover him with a healthy Tre White.  He’s just not that type of WR… you have to bracket.  
 

25-30M going rate for elite WR’s now… Draft one and hope Diggs loves Buffalo enough to take a “discount” when the time comes. 

The problem with WR in the 1st (I am not opposed to it). 

* Your 1st Rd pick will be the 3rd or 4th best WR on the field  (Diggs, Knox, Davis, Crowder).

 

However, your 1st Rd CB will need to be a day one starter and continue to be a starter even when the all-pro returns

 

Either way our 1st two Rounds will be CB and WR followed by C/G,  Punter, RG. 

[SCBills]

19 minutes ago, ganesh said:

The problem with WR in the 1st (I am not opposed to it). 

* Your 1st Rd pick will be the 3rd or 4th best WR on the field  (Diggs, Knox, Davis, Crowder).

 

However, your 1st Rd CB will need to be a day one starter and continue to be a starter even when the all-pro returns

 

Either way our 1st two Rounds will be CB and WR followed by C/G,  Punter, RG. 

Crowder is here on a one year deal for 2M plus incentives.   He seems like insurance that can still ball out if we don’t find a better option.  
 

If they draft Olave or Dotson.. our 3-wide is Diggs-Davis-Olave or Diggs-Davis-Dotson. 
 

If they draft Jameson Williams, Crowder holds it down until Williams can play.  
 

 

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Just curious - what kind of return would we get for trading Stefon Diggs?  Not that I'm a proponent of that, but given the Hill news today it got me thinking about it.  Trade Diggs and, assuming a 1st round pick is part of the deal, draft his replacement, use the other 1st round pick on a CB, another receiver or Breece Hall.  Would set the Bills up for a good 4-5 year run with young cheap playmakers for Allen.  And frees up money to refresh other areas of the team.

 

this is not a terrible idea and may be in play next year.  Minny did it and nailed a replacement.  

3 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

 

I see where you're going with this, but Diggs is a bird in the hand. Gels well with Allen/ Buffalo. Will probably be cool with a re-structured deal. Don't mess with the Ju Ju. 

 

if we can restructure then I dislike the idea somewhat. 

[BuffaninSarasota]

5 hours ago, SCBills said:

Good. 
 

While the knee jerk reaction to the Hill trade and our CB depth is to take a Cornerback at 25, I think all this WR movement tells us that the pick needs to be a Wide Receiver. 
 

Taking McDuffie, Booth etc at 25 isn’t stopping Tyreek Hill.   We can’t even single cover him with a healthy Tre White.  He’s just not that type of WR… you have to bracket.  
 

25-30M going rate for elite WR’s now… Draft one and hope Diggs loves Buffalo enough to take a “discount” when the time comes. 

Great post 

[mrags]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Win the SB then worry about trading him.  

I agree with this 100%. Chances of us trading Diggs this season are almost 0%. If anything, if they are unable to lock him up long term before the season starts; you may see him traded next offseason. Assuming Davis has a huge breakout year. Assuming you possibly draft a Diggs replacement with a 1-3rd pick. 
 

I want Diggs to retire in a Bills Jersey. But if he’s going to demand the kind of paydays that Hill or Adams just hit, then he can go. 

[Motor26]

11 minutes ago, mrags said:

I agree with this 100%. Chances of us trading Diggs this season are almost 0%. If anything, if they are unable to lock him up long term before the season starts; you may see him traded next offseason. Assuming Davis has a huge breakout year. Assuming you possibly draft a Diggs replacement with a 1-3rd pick. 
 

I want Diggs to retire in a Bills Jersey. But if he’s going to demand the kind of paydays that Hill or Adams just hit, then he can go. 

I would love it if Diggs took something like 3 years 54-63 million dollar extension. With the salary cap going up a lot in the next few years, he might expect a little more. Diggs seems to be big on winning, but still needs to be paid a fair amount he is cool with.

[purple haze]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Just curious - what kind of return would we get for trading Stefon Diggs?  Not that I'm a proponent of that, but given the Hill news today it got me thinking about it.  Trade Diggs and, assuming a 1st round pick is part of the deal, draft his replacement, use the other 1st round pick on a CB, another receiver or Breece Hall.  Would set the Bills up for a good 4-5 year run with young cheap playmakers for Allen.  And frees up money to refresh other areas of the team.

I’m seeing a lot of this though process.    The Bills better pay Diggs.

 

1.  He’s earned it on the field.

 

2.  He’s been a good soldier and very unselfish.  One of the team leaders.

 

3. If Beane tries to cut corners with that guy the culture talk takes a hit in that locker room because of Diggs has meant to the organization and Allen’s progression.  Some players have to get paid.  Just like Allen, Hyde and Poyer, Diggs is one of those dudes.  It’s definitely for production reasons, but other factors also come into play that impact team culture.

 

4.  Beane knows this.

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by purple haze

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

I would love it if Diggs took something like 3 years 54-63 million dollar extension. With the salary cap going up a lot in the next few years, he might expect a little more. Diggs seems to be big on winning, but still needs to be paid a fair amount he is cool with.

He’s probably going to be gone at the end of this season. Hopefully after we hoist them Lombardi trophy. But you could see a decent extension at the end of his deal with guaranteed money. This way it doesn’t take effect until his current contract is up. At the same time it buys a little time for the cap to go up. Which I’m 100% sure the owners will be pushing for. The Jerry Joneses of the NFL find it unfair that they are handcuffed by the same cap issues as the poorest teams. Just like everything else in society today, inflation is making things crazy. I completely believe the cap numbers will increase significantly in the near future. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

He’s probably going to be gone at the end of this season. Hopefully after we hoist them Lombardi trophy. But you could see a decent extension at the end of his deal with guaranteed money. This way it doesn’t take effect until his current contract is up. At the same time it buys a little time for the cap to go up. Which I’m 100% sure the owners will be pushing for. The Jerry Joneses of the NFL find it unfair that they are handcuffed by the same cap issues as the poorest teams. Just like everything else in society today, inflation is making things crazy. I completely believe the cap numbers will increase significantly in the near future. 

Mrags should… not stay! 😢

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Mrags should… not stay! 😢

Just calling it like I see it. I don’t want it to happen. Like I said, I hope Diggs retires a Bill. He’s been nothing but great in every way since coming here. But if he wants to be paid what the top WRs in the league are making, then I don’t see how it’s possible to keep him. Not with Allen making 40+ a year. Miller, White, Dawkins, And Oliver are not making it easier either. 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, mrags said:

Just calling it like I see it. I don’t want it to happen. Like I said, I hope Diggs retires a Bill. He’s been nothing but great in every way since coming here. But if he wants to be paid what the top WRs in the league are making, then I don’t see how it’s possible to keep him. Not with Allen making 40+ a year. Miller, White, Dawkins, And Oliver are not making it easier either. 

I know. 😔