Whaley interviewing for Steelers GM

[PrimeTime101]

I got a message for Whaley

[Saxum]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So what you’re saying is… you were “privy?”

 

He is the one who gave Pittsburgh the recommendation to look at Whiley.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. You can put 2018 on a par with 2017 because Josh Allen and QB trumps all. But 2017 - an all pro lockdown corner, a franchise left tackle and a 2 contract linebacker drafted in round 5. It is the best draft the Bills have had in my fandom.

And Peterman…. The brother in the basement  we don’t talk about,,,
 

 

[Saxum]

49 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Zay Jones was a beast in college.  He lost his confidence early in his rookie season and it has taken him years to get it back.

 

Zay Jones had talent, new WC Coach goes to that team taking credit, recommends Zay and then has nothing to help Zay in NFL elevating his game.

Whose fault is that? Zay, the bust of a WR Coach or the HC coach who canned the WR coach on contract who had very good reviews?

 

Note: When coach was hired from Eastern Carolina I stated at time he was a bust of WR coach going between NFL and college to whatever team was desperate for a WR coach.

[Buffalo Junction]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. You can put 2018 on a par with 2017 because Josh Allen and QB trumps all. But 2017 - an all pro lockdown corner, a franchise left tackle and a 2 contract linebacker drafted in round 5. It is the best draft the Bills have had in my fandom.

2018 should be considered on par with 2017. We crap on Edmunds, but the kid has made two pro bowls….

Looking back the 2018 draft consists of a top 5 franchise QB, probowl linebacker, a DT (Philips) that earned a 3yr $20MM contract, a starting nickleback (Taron Johnson), a safety who was just resigned (Neal), an all pro guard (Teller), and a return specialist in McCloud. The majority of that draft class is going to have substantive NFL careers even if they’re not all on this roster. What happened after the draft (Teller, Philips, McCloud) is in large part a result of coaching decisions….. The draft itself was excellent, especially when compared to other teams drafts. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Wouldn't surprise me but still think the 2017 overall has been the best during this current regime.

 

Obviously landing Allen a year later is why this franchise is where we are today which is 100% on Beane, but overall Beane hasn't put together a draft quite like 2017 yet in terms of the collective impact the aforementioned playoffs have had.

 

Got to agree there.  Even Zay Jones, while not what the Bills hoped, is still in the league and just signed a 3rd (2nd really, I guess) contract.

[MJS]

Hey, if Whaley gets the job we should get draft picks for developing him...

[MrEpsYtown]

So do we get a comp pick? 🤷‍♂️

[wppete]

[Mr. WEO]

So...2nd "Rooney" interview?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Whaley and Brandon are the main reason we sucked for 20 years. The Steelers would be wise to steer clear of him.

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Whaley and Brandon are the main reason we sucked for 20 years. The Steelers would be wise to steer clear of him.

Agreed that the Steelers should stay away, but the main reason was they were working for Ralph

[Dr. K]

I have not read all the responses here, but I expect that many if not most rank on him.

 

I don't think he deserves to be run down that much. He produced a roster of good players. I believe he would not have hired Rex if it was strictly up to him. It was the Pegulas who didn't want to let Rex get out of the building. 

 

Yes, the cap was a mess and there were some dicey draft picks. But some good ones too, and he brought some fine players to the team. If the Pegulas had let him hire the coach after Saint Doug quit he might have survived.

 

He didn't, and in the long run that proved best for the Bills. I'm very happy with McDermott & Beane. But I don't think he was the disaster many here have made him out to be. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

25 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I have not read all the responses here, but I expect that many if not most rank on him.

 

I don't think he deserves to be run down that much. He produced a roster of good players. I believe he would not have hired Rex if it was strictly up to him. It was the Pegulas who didn't want to let Rex get out of the building. 

 

Yes, the cap was a mess and there were some dicey draft picks. But some good ones too, and he brought some fine players to the team. If the Pegulas had let him hire the coach after Saint Doug quit he might have survived.

 

He didn't, and in the long run that proved best for the Bills. I'm very happy with McDermott & Beane. But I don't think he was the disaster many here have made him out to be. 

The dude was objectively horrible at cap management, which is job one for a GM. He was a good college scout but nothing more

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't remember an excuse that they "didn't have time to scout QB", but a couple of points -

1) the scouting process starts way earlier than January.  Starts in the previous spring with watching lots of tape and deciding which QB they will focus on during the fall, then scouting them in person as well as more tape

2) it seemed pretty clear that Whaley and his staff were the lamest of lame ducks after McDermott was hired.  And plainly put, McDermott wasn't going to hitch his wagon to a QB selected by a lame duck scouting staff/GM (or to snippits of leaked information from the Panthers, for that matter).

 

You're correct that the roster had plenty of talent in 2016 and that McDermott/Beane in part created the 2018 salary cap situation they have complained of.

 

 

 

1) The scouting process doesn't start or stop.   It's always going on.  Players are constantly being evaluated once they enter the college game.   This is lost on people who don't watch college football.     They think that 90% of these players just appear in the season before their draft year.   Whaley was big on 5 star recruits.   He'd been following these guys..........along with a million avid college football fans..........since they were juniors in HS.    Some sooner.  A few players burst on the scene but it's really a handful.    

 

2) 4 months is an eternity to put a bunch of high profile college QB's like Mahomes and Watson under the microscope.     Trading that pick to the Chiefs with 2 high profile QB prospects on the board like that is the most regrettable personnel mistake in franchise history.   It made 13 seconds possible.  It has blocked them from 2 SB appearances and counting.    That's the net result of McDecision making and he and the Pegula's playing it inexplicably coy with their GM spot.   

[Sharky7337]

On 3/19/2022 at 5:12 PM, Billzgobowlin said:

You all remember Whaley a lot different than I do.  His signings were bad and his drafts were bad.  He had no authority when he spoke.  What would have happened if Whaley had the same thing happen to him the Washington did to Beane?  Washington ain't doing that junk anymore.

This is quite the opposite of what he had.  Wilson wasn't even involved when Whaley was here in charge

If that was the case the bills would not have made the playoffs McDermott s first year.

 

He drafted good players. Missed on a few. Got Hughes for us.

 

I think he had a good roster without a good direction

 

Edit: I looked at his picks. Pretty terrible.

Edited May 10, 2022 by Sharky7337

[wppete]

Dougy is checking the boxes. 

[Mr. Wonderful]

He's respected around the league.  Kept hearing that PR cliché response with zero basis when he was hired by the Bills.  Only thing he was known for was emailing porn.  LOL.

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

1) The scouting process doesn't start or stop.   It's always going on.  Players are constantly being evaluated once they enter the college game.   This is lost on people who don't watch college football.     They think that 90% of these players just appear in the season before their draft year.   Whaley was big on 5 star recruits.   He'd been following these guys..........along with a million avid college football fans..........since they were juniors in HS.    Some sooner.  A few players burst on the scene but it's really a handful.    

 

2) 4 months is an eternity to put a bunch of high profile college QB's like Mahomes and Watson under the microscope.     Trading that pick to the Chiefs with 2 high profile QB prospects on the board like that is the most regrettable personnel mistake in franchise history.   It made 13 seconds possible.  It has blocked them from 2 SB appearances and counting.    That's the net result of McDecision making and he and the Pegula's playing it inexplicably coy with their GM spot.   

I find it completely inexcusable. Never in the history of the NFL has a fan been able to cherry pick guys from 5 years ago s draft that shouldve been the pick. Every single year, draft picks are selected in the same exact order as one could rank them at the end of their careers.

 

Just ask 2000's #1 overall pick Tom Brady, or in more recent history, 2030 first ballot half of famer, and 11x Super Bowl MVP, Jared Goff..

 

Now we're stuck with Josh Allen, who certainly never could've won one entire Super Bowl with Tyreek Hill, Kelce, and Andy Reid at the helm.

[JESSEFEFFER]

On 3/19/2022 at 7:10 PM, BullBuchanan said:

That's also not really true. If you look at his draft results, he hit on a ton of guys that had NFL careers. Not all of them got resigned here and most didn't turn into superstars, but they didn't bust out of the league either. What hindered his legacy is the QB position, as is the death knell for most GMs. I'd be very interested to know who said what in the decision to pass on Mahomes and Watson and whose call it was ultimately.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm

Why would the Pegulas let their lame duck GM take the next shot at a franchise QB?  That was clearly going to be the next GM's primary mission.  That's the way I saw it anyways.  The Bills almost screwed that up by making the playoffs meaning Beane needed two trades to get to #7 and draft Josh.