From Dawg Pound to Bills Mafia - Browns Fans Leaving for the Bills

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Batman1876 said:

The UK has the best example of why this sort of tolerance for celebrities is so awful, the UK has Jimmy Savile. Accusations first came out 50 years before he died and were ignored for the rest of his life. After his death investigations started and hundreds of people have co e forward to share their stories of being harmed by him.  

 

Saville was investigated seriously twice while alive and both times the investigations were shut down after pressure from those in powerful positions. That is a story of corruption as much as anything else. Opportunities were missed to bring him to justice. 

[Dan]

On 3/19/2022 at 9:47 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean unless you have evidence of corruption. Which you clearly don't.

 

I reckon if on a random day in the middle of last year I'd have put a poll on this site asking "do you believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty?" there would have been an overwhelming majority that said they did. But society is being manipulated towards mob rule sadly. And this thread is an example of that. 

 

Absolutely. I have very genuine and very real fears for the maintenance of fair justice systems in what perceive themselves civilised western democracies over the next 50 years. There is a definite and frightening trend away from the cold, hard, objectiveness of the law to thirst for a vengence style of justice system where public opinion triumphs over due process. 

 

Unless we stand up for the principles even when it gives us outcomes that might make us uncomfortable we are heading for disaster. Sadly, it is often only those of us inside the system who are really fighting for it. Others will only appreciate what we have lost when it is gone. I remember speaking to one of the then most senior judges in the UK about this at length in 2015. Pretty much every fear he had back then is already to some extent beginning to become a reality. 

I haven’t read all of this thread, but just wanted to say that it’s not just the legal system that’s heading for disaster.   We now live 100% in the Information Age.  We get hourly, maybe minutely (is that a word), updates and google has the answer to every question you can ask. 
 

I don’t need a judge to tell me if someone is guilty. I don’t need a scientist to tell me if vaccines work.  I don’t need a financial expert to buy stock. There’s a Reddit page or YouTube video or blog and don’t forget Twitter and Facebook feeds to give me all the information I need.  In a matter of minutes I can be an expert on any topic and people that spend entire life long careers studying the intricacies of a topic are just elitists on the payroll of some rich guy/corporation. 

opinion defines fact every day 

 

 

edit/add:  Wealthy, powerful people definitely enjoy “special” treatment in the systems that govern us all. They always have. And it’s that increasing ineqiuity that makes it easier to distrust the very systems we need to ensure our equality.  

 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Dan

[T master]

On 3/18/2022 at 11:33 PM, gordong said:

So glad we don’t have that problem…. The nfl is really showing it true colors …. This is going to backfire on Cleveland feel sorry for those fan they deserve way better than that crap.

 

I agree but it will all fade if he goes there & starts to win games winning changes even the biggest scum bag into a fan favorite ... 

 

Just look at AB and others in NFL history ... Hell some fans here were talking about the Bills picking up Kareem Hunt .

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17 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He had his best season statistically by a mile in 2020 without Hopkins.  4,822 yards, 33 TD's, 7 INT's, 112.4 passer rating.  I guess you could use the garbage time argument but he's a damn good qb.  I think he's a garbage human being but can't deny the Browns just put themselves in Super Bowl contention over the next few years.

He also won 4 games that year.

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