Spitballing on RB target for Bills

[The Jokeman]

18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Duke Johnson is perfect for that. Gio Bernard.

Duke's crossed my mind as a cheap pass catcher. I like the idea of Melvin Gordon too as he brings more to the table.

[John from Riverside]

To all those people advocating for Bree Hall I like the player but what are we going to do at corner if Trey doesn’t come back 100% and we end up having to roll out Dane Jackson and some other scrub we are going to be screaming about how we didn’t address this

[Sierra Foothills]

17 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

I posted this in another section.. how would you feel if Kansas City drafted Breece Hall at pick 30? 

 

After drafting Clyde Edwards Helaire 32nd overall in 2020?

 

They're not gonna do it.

[GolfandBills]

These 1st round unning back advocates kill me... yeah lets take a running back with a second round grade at 25 who will be splitting touches with Singletary.  Thats smart drafting

[Solomon Grundy]

8 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

These 1st round unning back advocates kill me... yeah lets take a running back with a second round grade at 25 who will be splitting touches with Singletary.  Thats smart drafting

Splitting touches for how long? JT28, who had a 2nd rd grade, used to split touches with Nyheim Hines too😎

Edited March 20, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[CapeBreton]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Splitting touches for how long? JT28 used to split touches with Nyheim Hines too😎

There is no Jonathan Taylor in this draft though, we will not be taking RB in round 1. 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

To all those people advocating for Bree Hall I like the player but what are we going to do at corner if Trey doesn’t come back 100% and we end up having to roll out Dane Jackson and some other scrub we are going to be screaming about how we didn’t address this

Not if the Bills are dropping 40 a game. The Bills will have an answer to the CB situation

[Magnum Force]

Just remember it was highly speculated that the Bills were drafting RB Travis Etienne with their 1st Round pick last year before Jacksonville selected him at pick 25. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by Magnum Force

[Einstein's Dog]

21 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I can’t understand why people wouldn’t want a Jonathan Taylor type RB on this roster?

The  problem is the  opportunity cost of a 1st rounder.    In FA you can buy the top tier RBs for around $6-7M, while  the price for good WRs is over >20M.   Viewed in that light I think it is pretty obvious what the FO should be trying to acquire with the 1st round pick.  Another 3rd or 4th round RB plus low priced veteran is fine.

 

To the OP, plenty of RBs remain - Fournette, Michel, R Penny, M Gordon, McKinnon.  Waiting is paying off as the price is dropping - Miami foolishly paid $6M for Edmonds while Patterson is down to $5M. 

[North Buffalo]

33 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The  problem is the  opportunity cost of a 1st rounder.    In FA you can buy the top tier RBs for around $6-7M, while  the price for good WRs is over >20M.   Viewed in that light I think it is pretty obvious what the FO should be trying to acquire with the 1st round pick.  Another 3rd or 4th round RB plus low priced veteran is fine.

 

To the OP, plenty of RBs remain - Fournette, Michel, R Penny, M Gordon, McKinnon.  Waiting is paying off as the price is dropping - Miami foolishly paid $6M for Edmonds while Patterson is down to $5M. 

Ah I see someone took econ 101... lots of indifference curves

[Tanoros]

18 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Put me on the Breece Hall train.  Why f around?  Fill the position with a dynamic, 3-down RB that can take it to the house on any touch and let's go win the damn Super Bowl.  

Where do you take him? First? Does he last until our pick in the second? Or do you trade up? Our first 3 picks are going to be VERY important this year. More than likely we are getting a cb or wr who will play very meaningful snaps. The other position to look at in the first three rounds is IOL. 
 

If rb was taken in the first 3 rounds I could see it being instead of a wr, and taking wr later (4+) because wr is very deep this year. A dynamic offensive player will be important, whether it’s rb or wr. 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Magnum Force said:

Just remember it was highly speculated that the Bills were drafting RB Travis Etienne with their 1st Round pick last year before Jacksonville selected him at pick 25. 

I hated the idea. But it was a unique situation in that Etienne is really a really good receiver playing running back. So he gives you that unique chess piece that can make this offense that much more dangerous. 

[Tanoros]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Splitting touches for how long? JT28, who had a 2nd rd grade, used to split touches with Nyheim Hines too😎

I just don’t see the Bills taking a rb in the first round, we have much greater need at cb, iol, and slot wr (even depth outside wr). 
 

Singletary showed enough to be comfortable with him as the starter, the earliest I could possibly see us taking a rb is the second, and even that would be unlikely. Even though Moss didn’t look good last year, he is going into year 3, having two more cheap years left. It’s more likely the Bills pick up a vet option and/or a late round pick to come in and compete at training camp. We just have bigger needs, especially earlier in the draft. 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

I just don’t see the Bills taking a rb in the first round, we have much greater need at cb, iol, and slot wr (even depth outside wr). 
 

Singletary showed enough to be comfortable with him as the starter, the earliest I could possibly see us taking a rb is the second, and even that would be unlikely. Even though Moss didn’t look good last year, he is going into year 3, having two more cheap years left. It’s more likely the Bills pick up a vet option and/or a late round pick to come in and compete at training camp. We just have bigger needs, especially earlier in the draft. 

When do we separate need from impact?

[Saint Doug]

19 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/.amp/mocks/nfl-draft-2022-nfl-mock-draft-post-free-agent-mayhem
 

Has Breece going two picks after us

I wouldn’t mind trading back into the 1st with next year’s first and a 3rd or 4th. We’ll be picking 32nd next year anyways. 

[Motor26]

3 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

I just don’t see the Bills taking a rb in the first round, we have much greater need at cb, iol, and slot wr (even depth outside wr). 
 

Singletary showed enough to be comfortable with him as the starter, the earliest I could possibly see us taking a rb is the second, and even that would be unlikely. Even though Moss didn’t look good last year, he is going into year 3, having two more cheap years left. It’s more likely the Bills pick up a vet option and/or a late round pick to come in and compete at training camp. We just have bigger needs, especially earlier in the draft. 

I don’t think they need to invest another high pick in a RB either. Also Moss is useless, he’s a power back with not that much power.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

I just don’t see the Bills taking a rb in the first round, we have much greater need at cb, iol, and slot wr (even depth outside wr). 
 

Singletary showed enough to be comfortable with him as the starter, the earliest I could possibly see us taking a rb is the second, and even that would be unlikely. Even though Moss didn’t look good last year, he is going into year 3, having two more cheap years left. It’s more likely the Bills pick up a vet option and/or a late round pick to come in and compete at training camp. We just have bigger needs, especially earlier in the draft. 

I agree. I think the front office saw what Singletary could do down the stretch…once Daboll got his head out of his arse. If they hadn’t seen it then yeah, I could imagine a RB would be in the mix. But with the free agency losses at CB and WR it’s got to be one or the other.

[Sierra Foothills]

The two "value" RBs I wanted the Bills to pursue have both signed elsewhere. Both played for Tennessee last season.

 

D'Onta Foreman signed with Carolina while Dontrell Hilliard re-signed with the Titans. Foreman has elite size:speed and is very physical. Hilliard is an excellent all-around back who has also returned kicks and punts.

 

Foreman averaged 4.3 punishing yards per carry (same as Derrick Henry). Hilliard averaged 6.3 yards per carry (56 carries 350 yards) both filling the void left by the injury to Henry.

[Tanoros]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

When do we separate need from impact?

I don’t see a first round rb offering more impact than a cb, iol, or wr especially when considering beyond just this season. The only way I see a first round rb is when the offensive line is fully established (ours isn’t), and the player is truly special. The value is just not there with a first round rb, and we need to be VERY conscious of getting impact players at a value. CB or WR offer the best value that early. 
 

A dynamic rb would be amazing in this offense, but at what cost is a rb like that worth it? At the cost of an elite shutdown corner on a cheap 5 year deal? No way for me. What about an elite slot wr? No way a rb is more valuable than that. We all agree the Bills can find cbs, so what would you expect from a first round cb? Probably something close to Tre White, and that would be some major ROI as far as cost is concerned. 
 

I just don’t see how the Bills take a rb in the first. Look at the moves they have made so far. They have a gaping hole at cb, with essentially 1 year stop gaps available, and they didn’t resign Levi for reasonable price. We Dane is a similar athlete as Levi. We also know that the way things are looking there should be 1-3 corners available at 25 who could fit the Bills. The signs seem to be strongly pointing towards a first round cb. 

10 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

I don’t think they need to invest another high pick in a RB either. Also Moss is useless, he’s a power back with not that much power.

I’m in agreement with not wanting another high round rb. My point with Moss, he may have more to offer in year 3. As a rookie he was the top rated pass blocker and the Bills do value that. Singletary came on strong in year 3 after struggling in year 2. My point with Moss was, it’s probably better to pick up a vet and/or late round rb and let them all compete at camp to see who the rb core will be for the season. Moss might surprise and his contract isn’t holding us back from taking another look.  

[mrags]

I find it hilarious that people here want to argue that we shouldn’t take Hall and should take other RBs in the 3rd to 4th rounds like Spiller, White, Allgeier, Ford, Cook. They are all budget Hall. It’s like the difference between a Prime Aged Steak and a good Choice steak. Adding another one of those RBs into this offense might be ok, but none of them are going to be the stud that Hall will be. 
 

he is just as good and effective as Ettiene and we know we were interested in Ettiene. We’ve shown that we are looking at RB as we lost out on Mcissick. 
 

The other argument that goes with RBs that nobody ever wants to talk about is this. While I understand RBs are a dime a dozen in this league. Really good ones are not. Really good ones are Henry, Taylor, Peterson, Elliot, Kamara. They are all extremely good, or were in their primes. They all received or are going to receive huge 2nd contracts. The argument for drafting a really good RB and getting the most out of them before they hit FA on a huge deal is not much different than a stud QB or WR or DE on a rookie deal. The difference is you are paying your QB or WR or DE. You are a fool to pay a RB a huge deal. That’s where the “RB are a dime a dozen” talk comes from. Because teams don’t want to spend the money on a RB into their 2nd contact. 
 

Am I saying we should draft Hall in the first round? No, probably not. But if the opportunity to trade back into multiple 2nd or 2nd and 3rd picks arise. Or the opportunity to trade back into the middle of the 2nd round is possible. If he’s there you should take the shot. Hall is by far the best back in this draft. We can’t continue to trout out the slow, indecisive, budget RBs like Singletary or Hall, or some other 3rd round prospect and expect them to be Thurman Thomas. Even with the best line in football it’s not possible. 
 

fwiw, Ettienes contract looks really serviceable for someone that could be the best back in the league with his kinds of talents. Just like Taylor. Just like what Hall could be. 
 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/travis-etienne-72405/