Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Motor26 said: I agree with the 2nd part about the contacts, but I think Josh would even evaluate that the OL play in front of him was not very good in general, after all, he was the one running from their missed blocks all the time. Oh, absolutely! But it's a long step from saying "you know, if I had an extra .25 seconds to throw on these plays, it would allow me to find other options..." vs "SIGN THIS GUY FOR THIS CONTRACT!" 2 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: Do we know the offer details for bates? I don't and have not seen that info, no. Whether it's out there and we've missed it, don't know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I can't believe people are getting upset over possibly losing Bates. He's a nice player but really JAG 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, popcornpam said: I do remember that Josh wanted a say on who his new offensive coordinator would be. I hate to be all about business as I’m sure Rick is a nice guy and all but I doubt Josh has a strong opinion on this, and would leave it to Kromer. Right now Bates is simply depth OL, he would compete for RG in camp. Edited March 24, 2022 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I can't believe people are getting upset over possibly losing Bates. He's a nice player but really JAG There are two things: 1) based on the end of the season, he appears to be a better JAG than 3 other guys we had playing in front of Josh last season 2) fans are still traumatized by the Wyatt Teller trade 3) because of the above, Ford being a 2nd round bust, and some other moves, we lack faith in the ability of this FO to evaluate OL talent 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I hate to be all about business as I’m sure Rick is a nice guy and all but I doubt Josh has a strong opinion on this, and would leave it to Kromer. Right now Bates is simply depth OL, he would compete for RG in camp. But with whom is the question? I'm pretty sure Josh didn't like seeing Harrison Phillips, Beasley, and Feliciano go out the door. By report, they may have been 3 of his closest friends on the team. But all the players have to recognize it's a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: How do you not tender him at a 2nd round level? Add this to the list of horrific talent evaluations on the O-Line while Bobby Johnson was coach. Beane was clearly getting bad info because the market LOVES Bates. Beane knew there would be a market for Bates. And the 2nd round tender was just $1.5M more. Again I think the Bills were prepared to let him go because they knew were getting an upgrade in Saffold and Bates hasn't proven himself at RG (and has he really proven himself at LG?). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I can't believe people are getting upset over possibly losing Bates. He's a nice player but really JAG People are upset because we don’t know who the replacement will be. We can say “you can find good guards in rd 2 or 3. We’ll just draft one”. But that doesn’t mean that player won’t suck. Look how 2nd rd pick Cody ford turned out. Dude couldn’t play the position we drafted him for and was equally as bad at his secondary position. some fans value having a good offensive line to protect our franchise QB. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: But with whom is the question? I think Daryl Williams has a strong chance to return. Is he meeting with any teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I think Daryl Williams has a strong chance to return. Is he meeting with any teams? Who knows? There are reports linking him to the Giants, but hard to tell if they're press speculation based on coach associations, or substantial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I'd take Williams back as the RG on a team friendly contract. He was ok there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They also seem to value their defensive line rotational depth over starting quality blockers for the best player on the team…. Or maybe they have a plan….we just don’t know what it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There are two things: 1) based on the end of the season, he appears to be a better JAG than 3 other guys we had playing in front of Josh last season 2) fans are still traumatized by the Wyatt Teller trade 3) because of the above, Ford being a 2nd round bust, and some other moves, we lack faith in the ability of this FO to evaluate OL talent But with whom is the question? I'm pretty sure Josh didn't like seeing Harrison Phillips, Beasley, and Feliciano go out the door. By report, they may have been 3 of his closest friends on the team. But all the players have to recognize it's a business. He never saw the field until the Bills were out of options last year due to injury so I doubt he will be handed the starting RG job, but as we still need to add upwards of I think 30 or so players and Beane loves his off-season ritual of hoarding OLinemen I expect at least one will be a OG. And there is Ford who will be in the mix to compete there at least early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 We need to keep Bates. I'm amazed by the amount of people on here doubting him, think we can just draft a guy and plug a rookie in and be fine. It's extremely hard to hit a home run in the draft. Bates is a solid starter at guard or C right now and I believe has the ability to get better. The fact that he didn't start sooner is not his fault, that's on the coaches. The way he performed last year showed that he should've been starting at G a lot sooner than he did. Hope Beaner has a plan to retain him. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There are two things: 1) based on the end of the season, he appears to be a better JAG than 3 other guys we had playing in front of Josh last season 2) fans are still traumatized by the Wyatt Teller trade 3) because of the above, Ford being a 2nd round bust, and some other moves, we lack faith in the ability of this FO to evaluate OL talent Crass to follow up my own post but I will. One of the things that I think fans don't appreciate is the grind of the 18 week season and how that plays into player performance. As the season wears on, every single OLman is nursing dings and dents. When Spencer Brown returns from "back injury" it doesn't mean his back injury is healed, it just means it's healed enough that he can get shot up with Toradol and function. Calf strains, knee sprains, ankles.... a lot of small injuries never make the injury report. One article I read reported that by mid-season, most of the OL is getting their knees drained and injected - weekly. [I hope that's an exaggeration, but...] I would be surprised if there isn't a similar dynamic on the DL The point is, when we see a guy who has not played come in to start Week 16, playing alongside and across from guys who have been slogging in the trenches for 15 weeks, that doesn't necessarily reflect the performance we'd see if he'd been slogging all season. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GolfandBills Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pags24 said: We need to keep Bates. I'm amazed by the amount of people on here doubting him, think we can just draft a guy and plug a rookie in and be fine. It's extremely hard to hit a home run in the draft. Bates is a solid starter at guard or C right now and I believe has the ability to get better. The fact that he didn't start sooner is not his fault, that's on the coaches. The way he performed last year showed that he should've been starting at G a lot sooner than he did. Hope Beaner has a plan to retain him. He was a must keep until the contract offer from Bears now nobody cares anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Logic said: Hernandez is the guy I like. Totally mismanaged in NY. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They also seem to value their defensive line rotational depth over starting quality blockers for the best player on the team…. Can you name 5 things that you think the Bills FO does well or right? Because you seem to find nothing but constant criticism. And yet here we are, playoffs for the last 3 seasons and 4 out of 5 seasons, contending at the top of the AFC, so those "well or right" aspects must exist. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I can't believe people are getting upset over possibly losing Bates. He's a nice player but really JAG It creates a hole and there are not many good vet options out there. Additionally, there is no guarantees with a rookie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Bates has connections in Chicago: "It isn’t a huge surprise Ryan Bates chose Chicago. They have plenty of cap space to meet his price, but they also offer connections. The lineman played under Joe Moorhead in college at Penn State. Moorhead is the mentor of new Bears offensive coordinator Luke Getsy. If that weren’t enough, Ian Cunningham is their assistant GM. Cunningham was part of the Philadelphia Eagles front office that signed Bates as an undrafted free agent back in 2019. Such familiarity was no doubt appealing for the young guard. The question now is what the Bills plan to do. They have five days to decide whether they match the Bears’ offer. Doing so will allow them to retain Bates. Current estimates say the team has somewhere between $2.5-4 million in cap space. So if the Bears wanted to dissuade them from matching, they’d likely offer a deal at $4 million per year or more." https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/ryan-bates-takes-step-closer-to-joining-chicago-bears/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just now, ScottLaw said: They also seem to value defensive line rotational depth over starting quality blockers for the best player on the team…. I wonder if Allen's incredible ability to mask serious deficiencies along the Oline has distorted the lens through which this FO, and many fans, look at the Oline? Even when they were playing "well" down the stretch, there were real breakdowns in protection, and any player, not names Josh Allen, could rarely find holes to run through. There were two drives in the KC Div game where this team faced 3rd and 2. Both times they chose to have Allen hand the ball off. The two handoffs netted zero yards and a punt on 4th down. Sure would have been nice to have a strong Oline then, or when Feliciano got blown up at the end of the Titans game on 4th and 1, or when...oh well, no need to go down the list.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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