What to do at CB?

[BigAl2526]

We don't know at this point how many cap dollars Beane is willing to throw at the CB position considering he's probably already got some major contract tinkering he's got to do with the signings he's already made.   He may feel limited to a fairly low level signing at CB.  For a player with more ability, they might be limited to a draft pick.

[Manther]

21 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 is a former 7th round pick that is well below average for a CB. Jackson has done well just to stick on an NFL roster this long, but do we really want a starting tandem of Neal/Jackson week 1? That thought really scares me. I don't want either of those guys taking even 3% of the defensive snaps.

 

Huh.  Not NFL roster material?  This is a very slanted opinion and seems to be non sensical.  Maybe he should not be CB2, but, he played great when he played last year.  I think we will sign and/or draft a CB early this year, but, Jackson is in the conversation to start....let alone be on the roster.

 

I think Round 1 is a strong possibility for a CB.  And since we play zone, we may get the 1st or 2nd best zone CB in the draft.

 

I also love taking a CB there as we did late in the 1st round with White.  It also syncs up nicely down the road in 5 years when White will be declining.

 

EDIT - I like Guard, CB2 or Breece Hall (RB)late in the 1st.  Maybe WR.  Depending who is there and BPA at these positions I like CB2 and Breece Hall

Edited March 19, 2022 by Manther
Adding for draft position options

[Manther]

10 hours ago, Tanoros said:

Your jumping the gun a bit with your worries. FA just started, and not many corners have been signed yet. Additionally, Jackson is going into his 3rd year, after playing nearly half the season last year and not doing bad all. What makes you so worried about him playing, “even 3% of the snaps”? He’s already done more than that and did just fine. 
 

The Bills will bring in a vet cb or two. Probably a mid priced vet and low priced vet. Additionally they will draft at least one cb maybe two (or UDFA). I’m sure they draft a cb early in the draft and have the drafted cb(s), Jackson, and vet(s) all compete for the two starting spots. Then when Tre is ready to play again, they keep the cb who was playing the best opposite of Tre (assuming Tre is ready to go). 
 

I wouldn’t be so worried about Jackson though. He showed well enough for a second year, 7th round draft picks. And with the contract Levi got, clearly the Bills aren’t worried about Jackson AND they have a plan. We just have to wait to watch it unfold. 

Agreed

[Magnum Force]

One of Patrick Peterson, Joe Haden, Richard Sherman or Xavier Rhodes would be a great and less expensive 1 year stopgap signing for the Bils this year at CB.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I’m wondering if CB is going to be a post draft move. See what they get in the draft 1st.

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m wondering if CB is going to be a post draft move. See what they get in the draft 1st.

I’d venture to say that Beane is willing to do this, but in the meantime, business is open if a solid veteran is willing to sign at a fair price beforehand as well.  One thing I love with Beane’s approach is the flexibility his plans allow for.

[noacls]

1st Johnson or Green 

2nd Woolen 

3rd best Wr

[Brandon]

On 3/17/2022 at 10:09 PM, GreggTX said:

While everyone is talking about RB's and WR's, has anyone noticed that the top CB still standing is a former 7th round pick that is well below average for a CB. Jackson has done well just to stick on an NFL roster this long, but do we really want a starting tandem of Neal/Jackson week 1? That thought really scares me. I don't want either of those guys taking even 3% of the defensive snaps.

 

 

I don't know.  The Bills seem to really like Dane Jackson and he played pretty well late last year under difficult circumstances.  They may view Siran Neal more as a special teams player,  but they did just give him a nice contract extension a few weeks ago.  They play pretty conservatively in the defensive backfield and usually give the outside guys safety help.  Plus, this staff has been highly successful at identifying and coaching up later round CBs to play well within this system. If they're confident about Tre White's recovery progress,  they may not view this as being as dire as we might expect.

 

That's not to say they won't take a CB at 25,  but I wouldn't be surprised if they wait a round or two,  either. 

Edited March 19, 2022 by Brandon

[AuntieEm]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m wondering if CB is going to be a post draft move. See what they get in the draft 1st.

 

   Also post draft there be some vets cut if their team took a cb rookie.

[GolfandBills]

Joe Haden and a draft pick please

[Magox]

Haden would be a great fit.    Not sure how much $$ he would command though 

[Boatdrinks]

Wallace will be replaced by a veteran, and a CB2 will be drafted. There’s no way Beane/ McD are entrusting that spot to a rookie on a team with SuperBowl aspirations. Draft will be round 1 WR , round 2 CB. 

[GolfandBills]

20 minutes ago, Magox said:

Haden would be a great fit.    Not sure how much $$ he would command though 

Hes my target for for CB.  he can fill in for Tre if he misses any time then slide over to CB2 and have Jackson as the primary back up outside

[Solomon Grundy]

[BillsShredder83]

On 3/17/2022 at 11:09 PM, GreggTX said:

While everyone is talking about RB's and WR's, has anyone noticed that the top CB still standing is a former 7th round pick that is well below average for a CB. Jackson has done well just to stick on an NFL roster this long, but do we really want a starting tandem of Neal/Jackson week 1? That thought really scares me. I don't want either of those guys taking even 3% of the defensive snaps.

 

I'm sure Beane is working on it, but the situation is severe. That would be far and away the worst starting outside CB's  anywhere. Do we draft a CB on day 1? I sure hope so, but that won't be anywhere near enough. We need to address this now. I don't think having 2 rookies starting at outside CB is the answer either. We also don't know when White will be ready, but it will be December at the earliest, I would guess. We also don't know if White will need time to fully recover or IF he will fully recover. I suspect he'll be his old self befotr too long.

 

Put yourself in Beane's seat. What moves would you be trying to pull off that are realistic? 

 

I'm looking at the Panthers CB stable and I could see a better CB than Levi shaking loose. Can we afford that? I also like Kyler Gordon, but I don't really follow college football. I know he's scheme versatile and a great tackler. Great short area burst. You thoughts?

First.. I like Dane, and so does McBeane. They both pour the praise on any chance they get, and he played well for us down the stretch.

 

Second, I'm 100% on team RD1 CB. If we need to adhere to BPA to CB, I'm ok using resources to move up a reasonable amount to get our guy.

 

Third, I'd like to see us go back to that well again in possibly the 2nd, but def by the 3rd rd. Twice the chance that one of these guys step up. Can never have too many CBs (see tre white injury last year), especially with our base d being nickel.

[Boatdrinks]

On 3/19/2022 at 5:57 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m wondering if CB is going to be a post draft move. See what they get in the draft 1st.

I doubt it. They won’t rely on a rookie CB to start on a Super Bowl defense. A veteran FA will be signed before that. If they wait until post draft it will be waiting for June 1, not to see who they get in the draft. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I doubt it. They won’t rely on a rookie CB to start on a Super Bowl defense. A veteran FA will be signed before that. If they wait until post draft it will be waiting for June 1, not to see who they get in the draft. 

There’s going to be good veteran CBs signing after the draft. 

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There’s going to be good veteran CBs signing after the draft. 

 

Agreed. They could wait it out , but I think they know they’ll be drafting a CB. Just not going to play much this year . 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Agreed. They could wait it out , but I think they know they’ll be drafting a CB. Just not going to play much this year . 

They have a plan based on actions. Wallace only has a $2.5 million cap hit this year with Pittsburgh. There’s like 10 CBs available right now that upgrade CB. 
 

Bills could go CB heavy in the draft. Take 2 in the 1st 3 rounds. All I know is they let Wallace walk cheap early in free agency. They have a plan.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On 3/18/2022 at 12:10 PM, NewEra said:

Saffold was awful in pass protection the last 2 seasons. He gave up 28 hurries  last year and 10 qb hits. He looked like he was stuck in the mud and Tannehill was sacked 2nd most in the league, partly because Saffold couldn’t stay in front of his man.  
 

So maybe he’ll be better in our scheme, next to Dawkins and back with Kromer.  But he hasn’t been in average in pass protection the last 2 years.  He’s been poor in that respect.  He a beast run blocker…no doubt.  
 

agreed about brown.  High upside and athleticism he gets mauled a lot. Needs a lot of work. If bates leaves, we have who on the right side?  Ford and Brown as of now.  Josh probably wouldn’t make it through the season if that were the case.  

How does Saffold compare to what we’ve had at OG? That’s all that matters.