What to do at CB?

[Tanoros]

8 hours ago, DrPJax said:

Haha!  Yeah I thought about that but after that first year as  white started  because our talent level was no where close to what it is now , rookies seem to have had a harder time getting on the field for consistent periods of time. Maybe with our depth being so bad at cb now , a guy drafted at 25 could be a starter. I guess it just depends how the draft goes and if someone drops.   Of course, with the success of Brown , it is proof a good rookie can earn starting time , but it sure took a while for it to happen and it took losing games,  an abysmal run game m and injuries for Brown to get his shot. 
 

You are right of course, as white started after being drafted at 25 , but it’s a different Mcd now , a different roster , and I am not totally sure Mcd will start a rookie full time at CB. He sure likes his vets.  Tre was drafted at a different time , expectations were much lower and Mcd had all the time he needed to allow development as he wasn’t expected to make the playoffs.  None of that is true now and the expectations are much higher from Mcd and the team is expected to compete for the SB    I think only time will tell if he will actually give a rookie a starting position with a lot more on the line now. He may have his hands tied tho and be forced to because of the situation so I guess a cb drafted at 25 could start for us , but  I still would bet Mcd gives a vet every chance  to start over a rookie.

 

 Hey , if Sauce drops to 25 or one of the top 5 cbs is still there , maybe they could crack the starting line up.   Like I stated tho , I think that’s very UNUSUAL  to land a PLUG IN READY ( based on mcds RECENT ROOKIE use )  cb drafting that low who they will actually start, and with Mcd I will believe it when I see it. 😀. White has been a great pic and I think that much talent is hard , not impossible , but difficult to find at 25  ( after all he turned out to be a pro bowl caliber guy ) so like I said , that’s rare,  wouldn’t you agree ?    I don’t think anything I said was off base that much as we have seen rookies have a much harder time cracking the line up now as it’s a much more talented roster compared to when Tre was drafted.   Good point about Tre tho ! 😊

Didn’t Rousseau start as a rookie? I thought he did. Either way, your right, McDermott generally takes it slow with rookies. However, with our cb depth being what it is, whatever rookie cb we draft will be battling in camp for a starting spot. We’ll have Dane, vet fa, and rookie cb (plus I’m sure another vet or late round rookie)  competing for two starting spots week 1. 

[Buffalo Junction]

8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I am still all in on Donte Jackson. It is a great fit. But I am guessing his cost has to come down. He is coming off an injury, but I like his speed and fit. 

 

If they plan of drafting one early, I am not opposed to a vet like Peterson. In fact he gave a great interview on NFL network the other day. I never loved Joe Haden. 

 

Kyle Fuller is a great fit. Good zone corner who is very physical. He is coming off a bad year, but I think our defense accentuates his positives and he is only 30. 

 

Nate Hairston and Rasul Douglas were guys they showed a ton of interest in pre-draft. 

 

My #1 target would be Jackson, followed very closely by Kyle Fuller. 

I like Jackson and Douglas. I am kind of curious if they could nab Douglas for cheap while GB is dealing with their current chaos. 

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

The wrinkle is that the Bills also need a o-guard. I highly doubt they take a g in rd 1 but anywhere thereafter is a possibility. At this point in time I would say g is higher than WR in priority. 

 

Saffold and Bates would make a nice combo, IMHO...as long as the Vikings don't offer sheet him away from us.

[MPL]

White is a 27-year-old elite athlete working with the best physical therapists and trainers available, not a 40-year-old weekend warrior doing rehab at the local strip mall limited by the number of therapy sessions his insurance plan will allow.

I'd say it's more likely than not that he's going to be ready to go for the season and back to form by October. 

 

That said, I imagine they'll still add a vet or two for depth and draft a CB in RD 1 who will likely start week 1 (and probably win DROY with this defense). 

[gonzo1105]

I'd give Donte Jackson a 1 year prove it deal worth like 6-7 Million and draft a CB in round 1 or 2

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

I think odds are that the first round pick will be a CB.

 

#25 is a perfect spot to get a quality DB.

[TheBeaneBandit]

31 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We’ve seen how one weak link along the OL can bring the entire unit (and team) to its knees. I agree w brown will be better….I just don’t know when.  Might take another year. Saffold for one year should be great for our run game. 
 

hopefully Kromer can be the big difference maker and we can keep him for awhile. 

Offseaon ain't over either👍

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Offseaon ain't over either👍

For sure.  I expect Beane to fill the hole (if Bates indeed does leave).  I just hope that it’s filled by someone who doesn’t suck 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I feel like the Bills and James Bradberry are the perfect match. How does it happen is the question?

[Royale with Cheese]

30 minutes ago, MPL said:

White is a 27-year-old elite athlete working with the best physical therapists and trainers available, not a 40-year-old weekend warrior doing rehab at the local strip mall limited by the number of therapy sessions his insurance plan will allow.

I'd say it's more likely than not that he's going to be ready to go for the season and back to form by October. 

 

That said, I imagine they'll still add a vet or two for depth and draft a CB in RD 1 who will likely start week 1 (and probably win DROY with this defense). 

LOL

I’m 40, had back surgery and my physical therapy was at a strip mall next to an Advanced Auto Parts and Flooring shop.

[billsbackto81]

12 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

I think odds are that the first round pick will be a CB.

Safe assumption presuming a can't miss stud WR isn't available. DT is definitely off the table now. 

[GreggTX]

11 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I don’t disagree we need to shore up the CB position still, between Free Agency and the Draft.

On the Tre White piece, optimistic scenario is actually that he returns around the end of the preseason.  With that said, I think it is fair to question what his level of play will be when he returns.  One more reason the strengthen the CB depth.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2022/3/2/22958602/tredavious-white-on-schedule-in-return-from-injury

That's weird because I heard some guy in a podcast say 12-14 months. I feel better now.

[strive_for_five_guy]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

For sure.  I expect Beane to fill the hole (if Bates indeed does leave).  I just hope that it’s filled by someone who doesn’t suck 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

CB Andrew Booth (Clemson) to undergo core muscle surgery- Ouch, that was a CB linked to us a few times. 

[NewEra]

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

CB Andrew Booth (Clemson) to undergo core muscle surgery- Ouch, that was a CB linked to us a few times. 

Wow.  Could push him down….but how long is he out.  Could we afford to draft him if he were to miss most of the season while likely going to miss Tre for part of it?  He’d be a no brainer pick @ 25 if he were healthy. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Wow.  Could push him down….but how long is he out.  Could we afford to draft him if he were to miss most of the season while likely going to miss Tre for part of it?  He’d be a no brainer pick @ 25 if he were healthy. 

 

It's normally anywhere from 3-12 weeks or longer but depending onb the individual it can really sap the speed, OBJ had it, Clowney, Allen lazard and Ed Oliver.

 

[NewEra]

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

It's normally anywhere from 3-12 weeks or longer but depending onb the individual it can really sap the speed, OBJ had it, Clowney, Allen lazard and Ed Oliver.

 

Nick Bosa too I believe 

[GreggTX]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

The same can be said for every position in the league.  Beane and McD should be talking about building the OL into a beast now that the DL is a beast.   When we lost last season, it was usually due to terrible OL play. We shouldn’t be ok with average to below average starters imo.  Not when it come to keeping josh healthy.  Josh so already so hard to sack, put a great line in front of him and we’ll be unstoppable. 

I agree completely. Also, Saffold doesn't suck at pass protection. Bates isn't better at anything. That's ridiculous. Saffold is average there and a mauler in the run game. Brown still has a very long way to go and I wouldn't mind resigning Williams for a year and drafting or signing another OT. If Brown does become worthy of a starting role at some point in the future, someone moves inside. Right now I view Brown as a liability.

[OldTimer1960]

12 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

I think odds are that the first round pick will be a CB.

Almost HAS to be now.  No other position is as big a hole right now and I don’t think that the draft is deep in outside corners that are ready to play a lot in the league.  Unless they sign a vet that can competently start. I would not wait until pick 57 to pick one and expect him to play a lot this year.

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I agree completely. Also, Saffold doesn't suck at pass protection. Bates isn't better at anything. That's ridiculous. Saffold is average there and a mauler in the run game. Brown still has a very long way to go and I wouldn't mind resigning Williams for a year and drafting or signing another OT. If Brown does become worthy of a starting role at some point in the future, someone moves inside. Right now I view Brown as a liability.

Saffold was awful in pass protection the last 2 seasons. He gave up 28 hurries  last year and 10 qb hits. He looked like he was stuck in the mud and Tannehill was sacked 2nd most in the league, partly because Saffold couldn’t stay in front of his man.  
 

So maybe he’ll be better in our scheme, next to Dawkins and back with Kromer.  But he hasn’t been in average in pass protection the last 2 years.  He’s been poor in that respect.  He a beast run blocker…no doubt.  
 

agreed about brown.  High upside and athleticism he gets mauled a lot. Needs a lot of work. If bates leaves, we have who on the right side?  Ford and Brown as of now.  Josh probably wouldn’t make it through the season if that were the case.